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77 280z rust free original unmolested parting out in Las Vegas

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I just picked up an all original unmolested complete 77 280z 5 speed (will be taking possession on Sunday)
Very straight and rust free, it been sitting in a backyard for over 15 years, a lot of the paint has peeled/peeling  and there is very minor surface rust here and there, too bad as this car it totally restorable...but there is no title and no way to locate the registered "owner" so it will go for parts.
Willing to cut off and ship body parts such as the roof, core support, back end ect.
Hit me up at tzagi1@gmail.com
Pics will be available next week.
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Sounds like a great platform for a project, but I'd be careful buying this car. With no title and no way to get in touch with the real owner, I'd be worried about how to actually legally buy the car.

What state is the car currently titled in? Most states have provisions for "abandon" vehicles. Is that what this one is?

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According to the person I got it from...it belonged to his brother in law, his sister got it in the divorce and he disappeared with the pink and keys never to be seen again.as in parts unknown.. its a nevada car and yes..I'd say it qualifies as abandoned. 

PS as it wasn't registered for over 10years its no longer in the dmvs computer.

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Sounds like a good candidate for a replacement title.  Most states will do a title search and issue a new title for a minimal fee.  I'm sure it takes a bit of time, but scrapping a clean shell is a shame.

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57 minutes ago, Mark Maras said:

 Is there anything in the divorce paperwork that shows the car legally went to her? 

There should be, and I agree with the above. It would be a real shame to a ruin a rust free car in the form of cut-off body parts if it could be legitimately titled instead.

If the car was really hers to sell, then you should be able to get the proper paperwork to get it legitimately titled. Keep in mind, however, that just because a buyer calls a car "abandoned", it doesn't make it so. It's not up to the buyer to make that distinction.

The NV DMV guidelines state that abandoned vehicles can be removed by a licensed NV wrecker who fills out all the appropriate paperwork and places a lien against the vehicle owner. And if the vehicle was on private property, there's more:  "If an abandoned vehicle has been towed as a result of a property owner or property manager's request to remove an abandoned vehicle from their private property, a "PRIVATE PROPERTY ABANDONED VEHICLE RELEASE" (POR) form is required by the Department as proof of a private property abandoned vehicle impound."

But back to the original belief that "she" owns the car. You can't "abandon" your own vehicle on your own property. If you're there, then it's not abandoned. You can have your own car hauled off as scrap (and there's forms for that too), but you can't proclaim your own vehicle as abandoned. It's a divide by zero error.

So if she truly owns the car outright, then she should be able to sell it to you with the proper paperwork. If this vehicle changed possession (note that I did not say "ownership") with some cash and a handshake between two people, neither of whom names appear on the title, then it didn't really change ownership. If that's how it works, then I could "sell" my neighbor's old car that hasn't been titled for ten years.

And there's a name for places that cut up and sell parts of a car that they never truly owned....

Ref:
http://www.dmvnv.com/pdfforms/vp263.pdf
http://www.dmvnv.com/pdfforms/wreckertow.pdf

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5 hours ago, Mark Maras said:

 Is there anything in the divorce paperwork that shows the car legally went to her? 

This is the story I got, Is it true? who knows. the car was sold to me as "for parts" no title" if I am to seek title...I'm on my own.

Cap, I'm fully familiar with lien sales (did more then a few in the day), however...I don't have a shop and I know of no one that will do it for me.

For now...parting it out is off as I'll be looking for ways to title it first, if that fails...its back to plan A

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Found something interesting at DMV.ORG

"NOTE: If your vehicle is more than 9 model years old, has no current liens, and was previously titled in Nevada, you don't need a title certificate to sell it."

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I imagine...that's what a bill of sale is for...

I'll call Carson City in the morning and report my findings.

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A bill of sale isn't worth anything if the person on the selling end of the agreement isn't in the legal position to sell the vehicle.

For example, I can give a buyer a BOS as I sell him my sister's car. But since I never owned my sister's car in the first place and didn't have the authority to sell it in the first place, that BOS is simply a worthless piece of paper that has some words and a couple signatures on it.

Or my sister could sell her ex-husband's car out from under him and give the buyer a BOS. But since she never had the authority to sell it in the first place, again... worthless piece of paper that has some words on it.

I hope you can get an honest legitimate title for the car. It would be a shame to take a rust free example out of the shrinking pool and cut it up.

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No doubt, a title is the definitive proof of ownership.  But I'm confused how different states apply different laws.  For example,  Georgia does not require a title on vehicles older than 1985.  Bill of sale is good enough.  Tennessee requires a title.  When I went to title my Z purchased with a BOS,  the DMV told me it was not worth the effort and the BOS was ample proof of ownership.  When I asked what if I wanted to sell my car to someone in Tennessee? the DMV responded that TN would honor the GA BOS and handed me my License plate.

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@tzagi1 There's your answer. Get a Georgia title and license and transfer it to Nevada. Might even work. I couldn't and wouldn't do it. I'd always doubt that the car was really mine and not the legal property of some poor guy that lost his Z in a divorce. I'm still not convinced it was hers to sell. A bill of sale is not proof of ownership in Oregon no matter how old the vehicle is.

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And BTW... DMV.ORG? Seriously? At the top of DMV.ORG's website it says:  "DMV.ORG IS A PRIVATELY OWNED WEBSITE THAT IS NOT OWNED OR OPERATED BY ANY STATE GOVERNMENT AGENCY." so forget about anything you find there. If someone is looking for info on Nevada rules, then they should go to Nevada DMV site.

But about that note on DMV.COM?  It's true. Sort of...

According to NV rules, You do not need to have a title in hand to sell a vehicle that is more than 9 years old. Instead of the seller signing the title over, the seller can fill out a request for a replacement title instead along with providing a BOS. So while that note on DMV.COM is technically true, it's an incomplete cherry pick sound byte of a more complicated procedure.

Here's the procedure as described by Nevada DMV:

You must provide a properly signed-off title to the buyer in private party sales, family sales or gifts. Any loan or other lien must be satisfied first.
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The only exception is if the vehicle was 1) last titled in Nevada, 2) is more than 9 model years old and 3) has no liens or the owner of record has a lien release, the buyer and owner of record can then complete 1) an Application for Duplicate Title (VP 012) and 2) a Bill of Sale to transfer ownership.

So you either sign over the title, or if the title is lost or mutilated, then you can have the seller fill out the request for a replacement instead of signing over the original.

Ref:
http://dmvnv.com/regprivate.htm#selling
http://dmvnv.com/pdfforms/vp012.pdf
http://www.dmvnv.com/pdfforms/vp104.pdf

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Didn't this horse get turned in to sausage just a short while ago?  Selling parts from a car you don't have title to is what chop shops do.  You can call it taking a risk, or everybody does it, or what else could I do, but it's all the same.  Big picture, since it was a divorce, you're probably doing somebody's dirty work.  Tainted parts.

4 hours ago, tzagi1 said:

 the car was sold to me as "for parts" no title" if I am to seek title...I'm on my own.

 

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Called the dmv and they are no help, basically whoever (the property owner) where the car was left has to go to court and have a judgment to declare the car "his"

However...I did talk to a friend of mine that happens to work at an impound lot, he said no problem, $500 and you will have a title within 90 days...thinking about it...

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I've done that to.  My buddy that owns a wrecker service did me that favor for $100.  After 90 days he can get a replacement title in his name for resale to get his storage fees back.  That may be your best bet?

You/he doesn't have to wait the 90 days though, just a little white lying on the paperwork. 

Rules are made to be broken. :D

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14 minutes ago, tzagi1 said:

That's one good buddy...$100 is what the lien sale service used to cost..

He's made a lot of money off me the last 30 years. I request him specifically when I go to jail/hospital. Don't let the cops call in the wrecker. They call their kickback buddies, small town home cooking.

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2 hours ago, siteunseen said:

He's made a lot of money off me the last 30 years. I request him specifically when I go to jail/hospital. Don't let the cops call in the wrecker. They call their kickback buddies, small town home cooking.

You shouldn't be such a good customer...;)

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57 minutes ago, Patcon said:

You shouldn't be such a good customer...;)

Not a lot do in a small town as a young man but get into trouble or be a broke father.  I chose trouble and have no regrets. Dogs are this man's best friend.

 

19 minutes ago, Mikes Z car said:

Sigh, I have never been to jail.

It's an experience of a a lifetime. Once you've spent the night in a cell you never want to do it again but I'm hardheaded. My last visit was the in 2006, 112mph in a 45 on  ZRX1100, drunk enough to fail the breathalyzer but my lawyer got it dismissed.  Small town politics,  the judge and my lawyer were in practice together before the judge got seated.  Alabama is backwards but if you play their game it is easy to get by with just about anything.  Once again, home town cooking.

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Actually it sounds like they were a lot of help and you're just looking at it wrong. They told you that you are already (or are about to be) in possession of stolen property, but didn't send the authorities to find you. I think you should be happy with that result.

Yes, adhering to the law can be "inconvenient". It usually costs more, and usually takes more time. But it's the right thing to do. And a $500 payoff to a buddy who works at an impound despite the unscrupulous and questionable origin of the car is not the right way to do it. If it was never declared abandon in the first place, then removing it is called theft.

There seems to be a trend by tzagi1 here of "attaining" vehicles from people who never had the authority to sell them in the first place. Some people call that fraud. And because you actually know it's wrong, that makes it even worse.

Remind me to never buy a car from Nevada. Rust free or not. I'd be worried it was stolen and passed through hands like this.

@Mike   Tough to do, but I've had enough.

Captain Out.  Seriously. Someone should call the authorities.

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I would add, that the basic issue here is that most of us don't want to hear about these kinds of things.  It's not what the forum is about.  We know they happen, but some things are best kept to yourself.  If you shoplifted some parts from the auto parts store, don't come on to the forum to tell people about your "score".  It dirties up the good stuff on the forum.  And don't try to argue that the parts store sold you some bad parts so they got what they deserved, or everybody does it, or some other justification.  Just enjoy your ill-gotten gains, alone.

That's about it.  You and your friends might have a "culture" where this is acceptable, it's just not acceptable here.  Sorry to the members who might have joined in with their own stories.  I'm not a saint myself, and could tell some stories from way back when but I don't do those things any more and don't talk about them either.  

Let's get back to the basics, and stop talking about how to scam the system.

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