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 Don't know if it would be legal but IMO the third brake light should be yellow and come on when the throttle pedal is all the way up, making it a deceleration light. In theory, that would give the driver behind a warning that one is slowing before braking. The 1/2 second or more warning would eliminate a lot of rear enders. When I was drag racing. we found that it took a 1/2 second after the light to get the car moving. Reaction time, clutch pedal travel, mechanical clearances and traction all added up to a 1/2 second. If we left when the last green flashed on (Christmas tree lights were a 1/2 second apart) we always were first off the line. Seems like that time theory would be applicable to braking too. But then, I've always questioned whether a third small brake light really does much good.

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19 hours ago, ramsesosirus said:

Haha back in the day (high school) my cars would emit that smell constantly, and not to aggravate other drivers... Skunks smell like a certain plant that I used partake in the smoking of... if you know what I mean.

Whenever I'm driving with someone and we smell a skunk, they're always like "Eeew", while I'm thinking, that smells like some very good marijuana.  Haha It's true

I see a lot of cars with inop brake lights. That middle light keeps me from rear ending those cars. Seems like they're not on all the new cars now days? Twenty years ago every car had one.

Speaking of lights, motorcycles have some wacky things going on now. I always had the small flush mounts on mine but I've crashed more than Evel Kinevel so I'm paying for my younger coolness now. :(

The good ole days weren't so good!

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16 hours ago, siteunseen said:

I see a lot of cars with inop brake lights. That middle light keeps me from rear ending those cars. Seems like they're not on all the new cars now days? Twenty years ago every car had one.

Speaking of lights, motorcycles have some wacky things going on now. I always had the small flush mounts on mine but I've crashed more than Evel Kinevel so I'm paying for my younger coolness now. :(

The good ole days weren't so good!

From what I've read, the third brake light came about in 1986:

History

The third brake light law went into effect in 1986 for passenger cars, and light trucks in 1994. The decision was based on effective tests done with taxi cabs and company fleet vehicles, illustrating a reduction in rear end crashes with the use of the extra light.

So technically (and legally), all cars from 1986 (and trucks 1994) should have them.  I do think they help, since they are not a dual function light (like tail lights) and they're right in the driver's line of sight.  

But, if the other driver is texting etc... nothing will help.  I was T-boned a few years back when a texting driver blew right through a red light.  Luckily I saw them out of the corner of my eye and swerved, so if was not a direct T-bone.  Several other cars.

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On Monday, September 04, 2017 at 8:29 PM, siteunseen said:

What do other people think of tapping their brake lights when someone is on your bumper?

My uncle did that and my parents didn't want me in the car with him driving. Early '80s too, he was just being a dork.

I wouldn't brake check anyone. They might not have good reflexes. Just ask Sebastian Vettel!

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Some lady brake checked me the other day.  She was going way under the limit in the left lane, which made people subsequently tail gate me (in my DD Tahoe).  And I wasn't even really that close to her. 

It infuriated me to the point where I started screaming.  I was about to flip her off, but I saw she must have been 80 years old.

Most of the time a brake check will just make the other driver(s) mad, they usually know if they're following too close.  Or they just shouldn't have a license, you're supposed to use the 3 second rule.  It's amazing how many people drive like idiots: Speeding, swerving, almost rear ending you when you're turning right.

If I am going to speed, I make sure I have room all around me.  I also try to "avoid the pack" if at all possible.  

I also really hate it when someone pulls up right alongside you and then stays there, or stays in your blind spot.  I like to have room to "escape" if need be.

I swear I avoid accidents every day by driving defensively.  And if I get a call or text, I pull over ASAP, because you can't really focus on both.  

You also never know who is having a really bad day, week, year, or life.  Just yesterday there was a road rage incident on the news, where a semi driver got out of his truck, pounded on the window of a car, and was then shot in the back 3 times by that car.  He died.  

Like I mentioned earlier, I don't carry a gun because I know that when I get to that level of rage or anger, you do things you normally would not.  

Maybe I'll try the "skunk" method again, at least it will calm me down.  But then I'll have Cheetos debris all over my fingers, which might hinder my grip on the wood wheel.  

 

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I can relate to you. Im in the Folsom area and I do hang out quite a bit in Tahoe and Reno. It frustrates me so to spend so much time and money only to have the clueless come way to close to me. I will be getting 2 Go Pros for my Z. The camera in the back will be on the outside facing directly into the car behind me. Wouldn't that be something if you could get a personal license plate that says Sue Happy. I tried this with my buddies camera and it does have an effect. The only way to get through to the increasing amount of morons on the road is through their pocket book. Oh and for the aholes that come to a complete stop on a freeway yea I would recommend upgrading your brakes.
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6 hours ago, zlockbox said:

I can relate to you. Im in the Folsom area and I do hang out quite a bit in Tahoe and Reno. It frustrates me so to spend so much time and money only to have the clueless come way to close to me. I will be getting 2 Go Pros for my Z. The camera in the back will be on the outside facing directly into the car behind me. Wouldn't that be something if you could get a personal license plate that says Sue Happy. I tried this with my buddies camera and it does have an effect. The only way to get through to the increasing amount of morons on the road is through their pocket book. Oh and for the aholes that come to a complete stop on a freeway yea I would recommend upgrading your brakes.
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Cool, I'll check out your car.  I've been rear ended several times in other cars, got some decent whiplash one time, I couldn't even turn my neck for awhile.

My old classic that is gone now, 87 Monte SS, was rear ended pretty good (I was actually the front car out of 3, someone rear ended the guy behind me, who got pushed into me).  Probably both their faults.  But it had a good bumper and I fixed it.

Not the case for Z's.  Especially 240z/ 240z bumpers. While the 280z bumpers are much better, they're so low that many cars, especially trucks or SUVs, would hit the tail light panel anyways.  

I had a few other topics here lately to help address this issue: I just added an inexpensive but great LED third brake light that sticks to the window (connect to your stock brake wire).

I also upgraded to Sylvania ZEVO 1157 LED brake/tail bulbs, and they work great.  They have a different design than most LEDs, as they utilize the stock reflector.  Also added white LEDs to the license plate light.  

Honestly, I could care less if someone rear ends my DD.  As long as they don't injure me too much.  But a lot of classics (Z's included), it's usually pretty clear it's not your average everyday car.  Especially with my "Husker" vanity plates "76 Z".  And I do keep clearance in front, drive defensively, etc...

The cameras are a great idea.  I think a lot of cars in Russia have them, maybe it's required?  Lots of youtube videos of accidents and whatnot are in Russia since it's all recorded.  And I bet it does help, notifying the driver behind that everything is recorded.  Heck, maybe even installing a "fake" globe camera would help, like lots of stores use. (I was at a gas station last week that had these "Cameras" mounted the HVAC ductwork... highly unlikely they're real hahaha.

As for the actual braking system, mine sucked for awhile.  I just went ahead and got a new master cylinder, remanufactured booster, new calipers, new pads, new shims, and new shoes.  Bled it good.  I don't like to stop on a dime, but I will if need be.  I do all my own work so it was about $300 for a nearly complete brake upgrade.  The stock brakes, working properly, should stop a stock Z very well.  

My other favorite is to get swole like I used to be and roll without a shirt.  Then you really can get out of your car at the light and intimidate the hell outta the idiots.  I've done some crazy stuff in the past when people tail gate me, tried to relax a little.

Nebraska was just ranked 15th worst state for road rage.  Guy was shot and killed last week.  Which is a shame, since our traffic really never gets as bad as some cities.  you can usually get across town here is 20 min or less.  Rush hour is like an hour maximum, in the winter with snow.  

Also, as in one of my other posts, I'd love to get the flaming exhaust (spark plug) and just freaking melt their front bumper.  Not my fault my old car has "hiccups".  Hahah I'm bad I know.  

But this Z really is more than just a car to me, done so much to it and it's really been the sole motivation to keep on during tough times.  

At the same time, I do see a lot of cars also give me lots of room at lights, some people get it.  Whenever I see a classic or "special interest" car, I try to get behind them so I can give them room.  I'm sure they appreciate it, I know I really appreciate it when I see a car give me room as well in the Z.  

One good tip I have, that might not work as well in a low Z, is if for some reason I'm clearly going to rearend someone, or if someone might rear end me, is to just pull off the road into the grass or whatever.  I've even hopped a curb and broken a ball joint in my old S10 to avoid it.  Z's are too low though.

Maybe playing very loud rap music, like DMX, might help.  Ya never know what a thug will do haha.  

Or, if the DMV will approve it, I've thought of some "interesting" vanity plates for this issue, including:

FELON

ZUI

KILLAH

INMATE

PSYCHO

TEMPER

SUICIDE

666

GANGSTA

and the list goes on.  

The DMV acts like they can restrict plates, which they can.

But I've seen many "state issued" non custom plates that either include the numbers "420" (marijuana), "666", VAG 411 (really?  must be a vanity....)

I get the Husker Vanity plates because our standard plates in Nebraska usually suck.  Last time we had a yellow mockingbird.  Now we got that guy that is jerking off (the sower).  It was on national news and comedy shows.  I'm not a big Husker fan honestly.  And while I might be a jerking off fan (sorry), I don't want it on my friggin plates.  We have like 8 different vanity plate options now.

$70 a year for what I got.  Not too bad, you gotta pick your priorities.  And my Z is at the top of my list. 

This is our standard issue plate.... 

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And here is the Husker one, pretty sweet I think.  Hard to read since the background is too bright, but I don't care if cops have trouble. LOL.  Even though the Huskers have sucked lately.  I'm bout to use my athletic eligibility and run circles round em.  I can be really fast when huge dudes are chasing me.

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Alabama has the "year of manufacturer" law for tags. I have a tag from 1972 on my '72 240. Pretty cool I think.

I remember those SS Monte Carlos, blue or white that's it for color. Pretty quick to but then Buick came out with the turbo Regal. Holy sh it those things were quick!

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8 hours ago, siteunseen said:

Alabama has the "year of manufacturer" law for tags. I have a tag from 1972 on my '72 240. Pretty cool I think.

I remember those SS Monte Carlos, blue or white that's it for color. Pretty quick to but then Buick came out with the turbo Regal. Holy sh it those things were quick!

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Nice, I think they have those here, but you're really limited as to when you can drive it (parades only, not to work or school, etc...)  So you're saying those were the plates issued in 1972 or whatever year Z you have?  Or they're just "antique" plates?

Your car looks great BTW, jealous of that garage setup.  Really liking the spoiler, how did you attach it?  So the original 240z's had no holes and indentations below the bumper, or you smoothed it out?

Member that old Valvoline commercial, where they're going down the block in the suburbs and they get to that house where it's just a huge garge, and a tent in the yard?  That's a 80's Monte SS in the driveway!  Then they say "You know the guys who use Valvoline".  Haha!  I've never been able to find that commercial online, which is weird.  There was also a "rare" aerocoupe version in 86 and 87, basically a big hatchback type window.  Don't care for it, ruins the body lines IMO.  

Old Aerocoupe Monte SS ad:  (they call it a fastback in the commercial).  They did this since the Monte's aerodynamics were horrible, it's boxy.  So for the NASCAR racing, they had to produce one to the public to be able to use it.

I'm pretty much an expert on the 4th gen Montes.  (1983-1988).  Very good looking cars when done right.   The stock 305 was too weak for the weight of the car, I think stock Zs have similar horsepower.  I think white and blue were the only color options initially, but later you could get maroon, black, silver, white.  I think blue was only a 1983/4 option.  I could tell you every variation they made, like side mirros, rear bumper and tail lights changed in the later years.  The wheels and spoiler also changed.  The decals also changed several times over the years.  The color of the decals (SS) depended on the color of the car.  There were gold, red, orange, maybe some other decal colors.  Still have the 87 style decals from Phoenix grafix, had planned to use them if I ever repainted it.  My color was the stock dark maroon metallic, repainted the same color.  Very nice color, looked nearly black.  Close to "Black Cherry".

Yeah those Grand Nationals were awesome, actually faster than the Corvettes of the same year.  Only came in black.  And there was the limited edition GNX, only 547 were made.  They're $50,000 cars nowadays, if you can find one.

Here was my Monte SS, real SS. The rally stripes were removed when it was repainted dark maroon.  Those aren't the stock wheels, they came with the car.  I still have the stock Monte rally wheels sitting next to the Z. My head did that to the windshield from the driver's seat.  Probably lucky to walk away alive from that, just a broken collarbone, bruised rib, and cuts to the forehead.  And a broken heart haha.  I think the solid metal helped a lot, as some modern cars would've been in much worse shape.  Hit a concrete divider going 45 mph.   I loved that car, the bad thing is they attract the wrong kind of attention, lots of thugs like them, and they are stolen a lot.  Cops also profile people in them.  The Z is actually funner and seems to get better appreciation and attention on the roads.

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The later ones (87-88) had a computer controlled carburetor, which was a pain.  I ended up removing all of the sensors and computer, since my Service Engine light was always on, which made the computer go into default mode which made it a dog.  Just used an Edelbrock carb and HEI non CC distributor, and plugged the holes left from the sensors.  Ran much better after that.  

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here is Nebraska YOM plate info

https://dmv.nebraska.gov/dvr/historical-plates

"Hobby related activity" could be anything! Almost daily... ;)

Be careful when buying YOM plates. Talk to your DMV first. I bought a set for my son's 510 and they weren't eligible. Evidently they used the same numbers every year and the set I bought had already been registered for a different year. We had to buy a different plate starting with "R" or later. All the earlier ones were issued...

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14 minutes ago, Patcon said:

here is Nebraska YOM plate info

https://dmv.nebraska.gov/dvr/historical-plates

"Hobby related activity" could be anything! Almost daily... ;)

Be careful when buying YOM plates. Talk to your DMV first. I bought a set for my son's 510 and they weren't eligible. Evidently they used the same numbers every year and the set I bought had already been registered for a different year. We had to buy a different plate starting with "R" or later. All the earlier ones were issued...

Cool, thanks man.  Yeah you're right.  I don't drive it to work anyways.  Same price I pay now too basically.  I avoid rush hour traffic in the Z.  Like I said, it's pretty bad here sometimes even though it shouldn't be.  I also don't know if mine qualifies as "unmodified".  I guess no one would really know, but sometimes that screws up insurance.  I know Progressive won't insure a vehicle with "modified suspension".

Nebraska is good for a few car things though, no emission/inspections ever, unless you bring it from another state.  So it is legal to swap any engine into any car.  States like Cali must be a nightmare for yearly inspections

I also like that you only need to run the rear plate, Nebraska requires a front and rear plate otherwise.  I got a fix it ticket in the Monte for that, I put a new front clip on it and didn't want to drill for a front plate.  Plus they look better without.  I did eventually just stick one on the front after the fix it ticket with 3M tape.  Never fell off even at 60/70/80 mph.  That 3m tape is great stuff.  

I do like my current plate design though.  I've been trying to just get "Z" and "ZZZ" or a variation for years.  I don't think the owner of "Z" is every gonna give it up.  And "ZZZ" would hint at being a "sleeper", which mine is not.  Just stock.  For some reason I just think that "less is more" on a plate.  Another visual variation that makes people notice your rear end, and hopefully realize that it's a classic.  

I wonder if you can get a personal "message" on those historical or vintage plates.

I have a long love/hate relationship with the DMV haha.  They give me my license, but also take it away.  The result of poor decisions.  

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12 hours ago, ramsesosirus said:

 They give me my license, but also take it away.  The result of poor decisions.  

Another member that puts it out there. :)

I lost my license in '89 and had it reinstated in '99. Lifelong poor decision maker but man was it fun! I'm in recovery now thanks to a dog. Can't take care of them locked up in jail. :rolleyes:

Edit, "recovery" from drinking and driving. I'm sipping and eating a Bloody Mary right now. :beer:

Whiskey Willie's,  straight from Orange Beach!

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12 hours ago, siteunseen said:

Another member that puts it out there. :)

I lost my license in '89 and had it reinstated in '99. Lifelong poor decision maker but man was it fun! I'm in recovery now thanks to a dog. Can't take care of them locked up in jail. :rolleyes:

Edit, "recovery" from drinking and driving. I'm sipping and eating a Bloody Mary right now. :beer:

Whiskey Willie's,  straight from Orange Beach!

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Haha yeah I do tend to pretty transparent.  It's part of "my story", and I appreciate it when others can relate.  That's a crazy long time without a license!  Around here it really sucks since public transportation is a joke.  It would be different in NYC or somewhere like that.  I did my share of bicycle commuting for a minute.

Luckily, nowadays, they make/let you get that breathalyzer in your car, so you can still drive. Since something like 70% of people who lose their license (for whatever reason) still just drive.  Sometimes you have to get to work, food, etc...

There's a lot of judgement about it, even though I'm willing to bet that most people have been just as guilty at some point.  I know a guy who's been let go my the police multiple times.  I only spent 30 hours in jail (more than enough), then house arrest, ankle bracelet, then years of probation.  The stuff you have to go through only fuels the desire to drink more.  Made some art about county jail.  I loved the way my eyes communicated the pain involved from the entire situation.  It's kind of like a slumber party that you don't want to be at:

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And a good friend of mine was killed in high school by a drunk driver, so I get it.  I'm not proud of it.  But I'm proud that I have empathy for other people's problems.  It really is a problem for me that I will have to work on for the rest of my life.  At least you had fun!  Almost all of my experiences were negative, I'm like Dr. Jekyll/ Mr. Hyde with that stuff.  

The irony is I quit that skunk smoking since I graduated college and jobs do drug tests and I thought it was a better "legal" alternative... very wrong I was, as Yoda would say.  I should've stuck with the pot.  It's legal in a few states now, so I think they're starting to realize it's not even in the same room as alcohol, but the new problem they have is how to manage "marijuana DUIs", since it is in your system for a long time (30 days or more, I can attest to this from experience..).  The other consideration is how much does it really impair your driving?  A comedian once said if it was legal to smoke and drive, people would be driving all slow and letting everyone get over haha!

I really appreciate your honesty too, much respect.  I hope you've gotten it under control, or at least found ways to deal with it.  You can probably guess why that Monte was totaled at this point... I made some art about that day, featuring the real plate and sling:

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During my sober periods, I focus on staying busy:  making art, planning for Halloween, working on the Z.  I would like to think that once (if) things start getting better financially, socially, etc... I might realize it isn't worth it.  But it's not like drugs, it's everywhere: TV, sports, every store you go to.  It's always there, and encouraged.  

I was heavily considering getting the message "ZUI" on my plates, then the cops would laugh when they run my record.  

Oh well, that's life.  Sometimes it's the pain and disappointment that fuels growth and progress.  Or at least I hope so, nowhere to go for me but up right now.  At least I was able to keep the Z all that time.  Makes you appreciate driving it that much more!  

Much respect again, thanks!

 

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  The 3rd brake light on my Z sticks to the inside of the hatch window at the top positioned to be seen between the louvres and flashes a few times when the brake is first applied, then remembers that the brake was recently applied and doesn't multiple flash again unless it is more than 15 seconds since the last time it multiple flashed if that makes sense. 

  If tailgated I drop way back from the person in front of me in case I have to stop so I can give the person behind me lots of reaction time.  Once I darted off the road to avoid a rear ender in a long line of quickly stopping cars, the car in front of the car in front of me did the same thing.

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When I was a kid I noticed people tailgating us and asked my Dad if it was because they wanted to show us they were as fast as us since we were in a sports car.   His guess was that since our car was pretty small and they could see around it they felt confident driving up closer. 

That being said it doesn't annoy or worry me any less.

I've thought it would be cool to build a small remote controlled box under the car that could chuck small rocks out on demand from next to the wheels.  Just tap a little button and pelt them with a few stones that just look like regular ones kicked up from the road and see if they back off.

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Throw them out your driver's window.  I like to squirt  my windshield washer on them. If I knew it wouldn't eat my paint, and it would!, I'd fill my washer bottle with brake fluid. 

I'm beginning to like the fireball idea out the tail pipe. :)

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On 9/25/2017 at 9:30 PM, Mikes Z car said:

  The 3rd brake light on my Z sticks to the inside of the hatch window at the top positioned to be seen between the louvres and flashes a few times when the brake is first applied, then remembers that the brake was recently applied and doesn't multiple flash again unless it is more than 15 seconds since the last time it multiple flashed if that makes sense. 

  If tailgated I drop way back from the person in front of me in case I have to stop so I can give the person behind me lots of reaction time.  Once I darted off the road to avoid a rear ender in a long line of quickly stopping cars, the car in front of the car in front of me did the same thing.

Yep, I just got my stick on third brake hooked up.  I have louvers as well.  Works great as is bright.  As mentioned in other threads, I did the Sylvania ZEVO LEDs for the brake and signal lamps.  They work great, they use the stock reflector unlike other LEDs.

 Had to get a Novita EL552 flasher (works with a mix of LED/Incand but not all LEDs as my fronts are still Incand).  Plugs right in and works.

Pulling off the road is a good option (and the only one) sometimes.

22 hours ago, siteunseen said:

I'm beginning to like the fireball idea out the tail pipe. :)

I can almost guarantee this would back all but the most valiant tail gaters off...  haha  

I wonder if you could run a completely independent "flamethrower" exhaust system, using propane or something?  that was it is an isolated system, probably even use a 2nd exhaust tip...

"Officer this Z shot flames and melted my front end!!"   Yeah whatever, that means you're too close.  Good for them, ticket.

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