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    In 1981 or so they changed the way they install the windscreen 🙄  These are from the top stainless trim 1982 (Terrapin z's) , don;t know if they fit on my '79..  window opening could be different..? so mine will need the strips with clips for the stainless strips? 

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    3 hours ago, dutchzcarguy said:

    (it's about the windscreen..) 

    @Terrapin Z   HI!  I'm busy building the car and next week the windscreen is up.. Did you remove the bottom trim already of your car?  Are they different width? (upper and lower clips?)

    The main problem i have with the windscreen fitting is that there should be a sort of rubber edge visable along the stainless strip..  On your car it was made out of sealant?

    Can get messy when i have to make one out of sealant haha..

    Maybe @Zed Head Knows a solution?  A rubber tape/band to lay into the sealant?  Just brainstorming.. ??  (it's for a 280zx 1979)

    Hi Mart, Looks like your car has been coming along nicely. 

    I think you are right about changes in the years, 79-81 seem to be similar, and then 82-83 are their own style. 

    This 82 is the only one I have an opportunity to take apart. I have seen 79's at the JY but did not pay attention to the windshield. In my 79 parts list they show two fastener strips (upper and Lower). The upper lists one > July 81 and another aug 81 > although they show the same picture. The lower is shown as all the same.

    Both slides show the plastic clips from your next picture but the descriptions are missing from the list (indicating NLA?) 

    Sorry I don't have clear answers for you. I never took the bottom stainless off, I will see if I can pull that this weekend to see what is under there. 

    Keep up the great work.......

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    19 hours ago, Terrapin Z said:

    I never took the bottom stainless off, I will see if I can pull that this weekend to see what is under there. 

    Thanks for the fast response!  Make some pic's if you can and post them here..  Thanks you in advance!  (If you don't have the time for it, it's no disaster as the glass guy is coming to see the car next week.) 

     

    Last week was a busy one.. lots of parts went on the car and next tuesday the Glassguy is coming to see my car for the windscreen! (He does all the glass work in the paintershop where my car is now for half a year or so..) 

    Wednesday i was busy with the rear window rubber/glass/stainless...  pff.. I made the parts VERY clean and sprayed them with special rubber conditioner, otherwise it would have been very difficult to get it right.

    The stainless went into the rubber sealer very smóóóth! 

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    Then i had the do the corners .. they have to go in in only one way!  Important is that your rubber is soft and stretches easely.. 

    Here you can see (partly) the rear glass and stainless.. (liing on the decklid for now..)

    The rear lights and numberplate lighting is also on!  ( As are the rear screen whiper motor and the radio antenna.. all working very well)

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    Due to a "as new" bootlid rubber, the lid is a little to high, i wait with correcting this till after i put in the glass and all the trim inside..

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    Dito for the hight of decklid..

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    Under the front fenders plastic wheelwell covers installed..

    clips..  details..details...🙄

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    Some shiny parts in the hood...🤠

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    This week i made an appointment for the APK..  (Like a TUV in Germany or a MOT in England)  I'm working towards that date of Wednesday the first of July 2020..  yeah so i'll have 2 weeks to put in the windscreen and a few other things.. (doorwindows and some rubber stuff..)

    My APK garage is still the same guy who has done easy over 40 Z- car APK-checks for me!  He's also excited to see the result of years of work haha..

    I believe i said this before but this is my 8th z or zx car.. (I had or have 2 x 240z 3x 280zx and 3 x 300zx)  (At the moment i own one of each.. 240z, 280zx and a 300zxtt.)

     

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    6 hours ago, dutchzcarguy said:

    (it's about the windscreen..) 

    The main problem i have with the windscreen fitting is that there should be a sort of rubber edge visable along the stainless strip..  On your car it was made out of sealant?

    Can get messy when i have to make one out of sealant haha..

    I didn't think that Nissan used liquid sealant on the glass.  Everything was preformed rubber.  On the 280Z's the chrome strip fits in a groove in the preformed rubber, to help lock the rubber in place.

    How about a picture of the specific seal, the way that you want it to be?  Not sure about what exactly the issue is...

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    Hihi... Zed Head must have been a bit sleepy..😪  (what's the headline of this Topic, Zed??)

    It's about a 280ZX.. never mind.  Tuesday the glass guy comes and takes a look.. he does all the repairwork on all the paintshop cars that come in for a paint or repair job.

    I'm sure he has a solution to this problem  (fingers crossed!) 🤞

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    Here are some pics of the bottom under the stainless trim. It looks like there was a plastic piece that had sticky tape to hold it in place. It looks like it went on first then the windscreen gets glued in after. there are some bulges that look to hold the stainless on every few centimeters. The piece is notched so it can make the arc of the windscreen and breaks very easy,  It is also weather checked. I did get a small piece of it out for the pics. The ends have a locating pin that sits under the side trim. 

    It looks like there was something like it on the top as well. It is also sealed in with silicone or some other adhesive. No bumps on the top but it had the butterfly clips as noted above. 

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    Terrapin Z ,  Thank you very much for your efforts, I've seen those before, and my car had the same stuff under the stainless strips..  I thought it was'nt original and something those Carglass guys used to put in his 2th windscreen ( there was no longer an original screen in my car when i bought it.. the rust around the screen was also the biggest problem of my 280zx.. the screen was thrown in.. not installed!  thrown at the car! and that was why the whole window edge was rusted away..)

    I wonder if the edge of that plastic (with sticky tape) comes from under the stainless and is visable?  So there is a sort of rubber edge visable on the outside? but not on the glass side.. You could see the openings (for bending) then on the edge of the stainless?  Think there is some rubber sealant over it? still a bit unclear.. but i think we get it right tomorrow!  The glass guy has a lot of experience!  Thanks again Terrapin z !

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    I don't remember any of the rubber seal being exposed, at least on my 82. The only thing I see that would be what you are describing is at the fender edge. 

    Here are pics of the passenger side with the side trim still on, and a pic of the drivers side with the trim off. You can see where the plastic pin lock the strip down. (circled)

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    Yep, those are plastic covers for the front fender, i put them on last week!  Held by the small round clip..

    So there is no seal visible when all the stainless is on.  Thanks again! (today the front screen is going in.. i hope..)

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    On 6/13/2020 at 6:49 PM, Zed Head said:

    I didn't think that Nissan used liquid sealant on the glass.  Everything was preformed rubber.  On the 280Z's the chrome strip fits in a groove in the preformed rubber, to help lock the rubber in place.

    How about a picture of the specific seal, the way that you want it to be?  Not sure about what exactly the issue is...

    That's a big problem for rust on these cars. 5 years ago an immitation front wind shield rubber was put into my 240Z at the paint shop. On some spots on the roof it's slowly letting some water through I can allready see on the paint almost microscopic bits. The original must have been better quality. Always a fight against rust with these Datsun's...😪

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    On 6/14/2020 at 11:09 AM, dutchzcarguy said:

    Hihi... Zed Head must have been a bit sleepy..😪  (what's the headline of this Topic, Zed??)

    It's about a 280ZX.. never mind.  Tuesday the glass guy comes and takes a look.. he does all the repairwork on all the paintshop cars that come in for a paint or repair job.

    I'm sure he has a solution to this problem  (fingers crossed!) 🤞

    It will be better to put some extra liquid sealant ( RTV of however you call it in english ? ) in place before you put it all in, because in the olds days the seals didn't do their job very well, hence all the rusted out pieces..

    But let the window guy decide..

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    18 hours ago, bartsscooterservice said:

    It will be better to put some extra liquid sealant ( RTV of however you call it in english ? ) in place before you put it all in, because in the olds days the seals didn't do their job very well, hence all the rusted out pieces..

    AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH  !!!   BART...  your a sleepy guy to! 🙄

    WE ARE RESTORING A 280ZX   with the X!  S130 Z  XXXXXXXXXX ! HERE... unbelieveble..😉  A 280zX does NOT have a seal!  Most of it is SEALANT!  It only uses a set of 2 rubber strips to keep the stainless  in place! (no not chrome, its stainless with some extra chrome IN it.)

    btw the glassguy wasn't there yesterday.. he'll be there today  (i hope?) forgot his appointment 🙄🙄🙄  He's an older guy, should know how to do this!  (soms lijkt het wel een bejaardensoos in de shop hahaha    translated: sometimes it looks like an old peoples home in the shop  HAHAHA! 😁

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    Never mind.

     

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    Lots of parts installed this week, all in good used or new state, it's nice to see that it's finaly going to get ready.. 

    The windscreen is still not in but we are going to do it ourselves..  (as we say.. if you want it done the right way.. you have to do it yourself... oeps.. )

    The guy for the windscreen is not showing up, he says he got no clips or anything to work with so have started the job by putting in some clips and did already a test fit and then you can see there is not much overlapping..

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    "glued" the clips i have in with some rubber sealant..

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    After some good research, how to fit it, I'll put the windscreen in myself with maybe some help of the shop owner.

    I got all the professional stuff for it handy so i should go well.

     

    I also installed the door rubber, it's like new stuff and been in storage a long time.

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    Very nice soft rubber that fits to the door glass perfectly!

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    Rear side windows..

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    Some super nice side covers!!

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    Front parts installed!

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    Bumper stay.. (with a tap in it for cleaning up the thread.)

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    inside the chassis where the stay go's.. without the NEW wax..  (was wax'ed a long time ago..)

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    And with wax on!

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    Installed!

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    The front ready..

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    Posted (edited)

    Finally... Yesterday my Datsun 280zx slickroof 1979 2+2 got inspected for the Dutch APK (english-MOT or German-TUV.)  It Passed!

    :Yes:

    Here some of the last things i installed, after some... eh.. a lot!! of wax in the doors i installed the carts, they are 41 years old, can you believe it? (the pre owners were pretty good to the car.. they cared..)

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    A clear feature of a early 280zx, (chrome is nicer in real then on picture.)

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    extra attention to the original foam in the middle of the pic...   the door is still dripping waxoil.. :-0 

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    sticky plastic against sticky plastic so the mechanism can move!

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    this  spare wheel casing plate got some new foam..

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    The rear window installed, even the rear heating works! (The installation of the stainless was no pain in the butt, thanks to a rubber treadment that made everything slide inn! 😉  )  First you put in the stainless then the window into the hatch.

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    Rear roof cover installed.. (still the original one.)

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    Then there was the front glass.. 

    When testfitting with a "college" he hitted the edge but we thought it did'nt hurt it.. :cry:

    A small crack became a big one... so.. this was the car's 4th windscreen.. i had to order a new one.. :angry: AAARRRGGGHHH !!!

     

    See the crack coming from the corner..

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    I forgive him... it can happen to anyone..

    A Pic for future screen installers.. 😉 (sorry can't rotate the pic..)

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    A clip,  normally they are on a strip, 7 in top and 9 in the bottom of the screen.

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    BTW.. the windscreen was for a fairlady 260zx... i've never seen one hahaha..   it does not exist!

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    Still to install.. these.. where they go? not the faintest idea.. wheelwell?  RTFM!

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    And then i was at the shop with suddenly 2 cars.. nice set hey??

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    Finally at home (Half a mile hahaha)  It rained a bit, cleaning has to be done, some of the waxoil sprayed over it accidently.. 

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    When i drove to the APK  (MOT) i felt that my giant friend (NOT!) Danny the first painter (who did'nt paint!) had uninstalled the steeringwheel with a hammer? It says clearly on a sticker on the wheel: DO NOT HIT WITH A HAMMER!   But hey.. he's a butthead.. clearly.. so i'm looking for a new bearing or steering column assembly.. again some extra costs because one thinks to have found someone who can do it for a few bucks.. (He was a son of a college of a friend.. told my friend if he knows someone for a job next time... say NOTHING!! :angry2:

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    Now this restore is coming to an end.. i can say that the costs were a bit more than thought at first but all and all it was within budget..  It took from buying till this day almost 7 years.. They went by fast.. 

    Later on i will put some pic's here from a clean car in the sun...

     

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    Nicely done Mart..

    Windscreen seems a pain in the arse...

    You will get it sorted out soon. You should sell the 300zx tt and restore a 240 😲

    I'm still not done with my cars either, will I ever be ?

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    21 hours ago, bartsscooterservice said:

    You should sell the 300zx tt and restore a 240

    Haha.. yeah... might be a good idea..

    But i'm a bit tired for now.. the 280 is on the carlift now in my own garage and i'll have to do the underside with teroson/waxoil and stuff.. and a good cleanup.. Still have a few plastic parts that shoud fit someware under the 2 front light buckets and in the wheelwells  Haha.. no idea were they go....  i have to look in the manual!

    Another look at the stainless all around the car is also necessary..  polish some faint scratches out.. (i decided to do this ON the car because you can't polish them off the car... (ask people here on the site! :cry:)

    About restoring a 240z.. i don't have to restore mine just give it a few nice rear fender wheelwells and a new paintjob..  Clean up the engineroom (by taking the engine out and give that a good service..) and paint that as well..  oh well..  🙄   take it all out and restore the car hahaha.... 😂 it has been 22 years ago that i started the restore! (Drive it now for over 20 years.. IN THE WINTER!!)

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    Hi, thank you for telling me!  But it's only the one, there are 2 different strips needed for 1 shield. and mine is already in.. There is a z(x) partsdealer in the states that still has that strip.. (z store or zcardepot or something..)  Now is to find out if this is the other one.. 😉 But i no longer need a set..  

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    2 hours ago, dutchzcarguy said:

    . 😉 But i'm no longer need a set..  

    I thought you might be past needing this piece, even if it was only half of the required amount to fit the car. 

    It was an original Nissan part, and not an aftermarket piece. They always seem to fit a little better IMO.

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    22 hours ago, bartsscooterservice said:

    Mart post us the pictures of the finished ZX here , I'm sure people are willing to see the pictures 😀

    Yeah yeah..

    Last week i got out of the car and hurt my back really bad.. went to the doctor and he told me i have a hernia...   It's véry painfull.. i barely can walk..

    I wanted to make a set of pic's of the finished car.. (inside and out) but i'm at the moment more or less tied to my chair and bed.. (A lot of #%&^$#*^%$...GRrrrrr..)

     

    Here i got this one on my pc so can post this one, made in Boxmeer (The Netherlands of course, When i was at the carpartsshop)

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    The car is stil not waxed...  I did install the last inside trimmings before the hernia..  Doctor says i can take 12 weeks to recover.. :angry:

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    This morning i got a mail from Trevor..  He's a guy who restores cars and has a lot of vid's on youtube that explain a lot over restorations and stuff, very interesting.  (look for : trev's blog.)

    He told me that he could see ..  only from the pictures i sended, that it was a professional restauration!  AU... AU....  AU!!!.. ALL THOSE FEATHERS UP MY BUTT  Oeps...!! sorry...

     

    Go see on youtube what he's doing.. trev's blog,  about taking out dents and welding.. making panels and stuff, he's a good teacher!

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    1 hour ago, dutchzcarguy said:

    Go see on youtube what he's doing.. trev's blog,  about taking out dents and welding.. making panels and stuff, he's a good teacher!

    Trev is a master tin beater, love his videos.

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    Looks great Mart, I will see it in person later on.

    I always wax and do the chrome once a year also, but didn't have the chance to do it this year so far, weather has not been steady. But w'll see..

    I like the 280ZX.. it's got that's 80's feel and look to it. 

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