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280zx 1979 2+2 slick roof restauration

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    This past week i took out the last piece of carpet. Rarely seen such a clean floor in a 280! 20191127_161549.jpg

    Then i have made (again!!?) some fender ends the ones who i made earlyer were F***tup by my good friend (NOT!) Danny, who can't weld… (not saying am a pro in welding but …..anyway..)  I gave him a set of 4 lower ends for the frontfenders and he cut those in half just to … i don't know.. Look at the parts you can follow his way? please explain it to me because i can't see it.. Left on pic is my old f***tup part and right my yesterday made new part..

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    The right one is made out of one piece, the left one is welded on diff sides and pieces put on... what was he thinking??? 🙄

    (the cut in it was to measure the width of the cutting tool i used at that moment. (1,3mm)

     

     

    Here i radically cut it off!  I don't want this kind of junk, not on my car! (Took the last rusty spots also off!)

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    The left hand side will be made the same way..  on a block of wood.

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    Every part takes about 2-3 hours or metalwork to do it good. So by the time the fenders are ready for paint i'm counting on 25-30 hours with welding and making it smooth… easely..

     

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    It's very nice to get the chance to work on your own car in a professional bodyshop/paintshop, i can use all the tools needed or bring my own if i want to!  So i askt if i could bring my own MIG welder, not necessary we have a lot of Mig's.. 🙂   so i could use the copper/silicium MIG welder!  It works with a lot less heat so the workpeace does not bend from overheating.. 

    (Also my own NISSAN Toolcart on this pic!) 

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    I didn't Grind away the whole weld, it's not necessary and stronger this way. You can see clearly the copper in the weld.

     

    Outside front fender in zinc paint. 

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    Just looking if it fits..2nd part on low right already welded on/in..

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    Used an english wheel at home for a smal curvature.

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    Question of the day 😉  does the 280zx frontfender only have 1 screw or bolt to keep it in place here?  and is it a screw or bolt?  (if you tell me i don't need to go through a thousend pic's :confused: )

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    In the right front fender was left some rusttreatment stuff.. i took it off and made this pic of a 40! year old well preserved fender! Later on this one gets a new coat of zinc and rusttreatment.

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    Very few spots of rust.

    Coated in zinc. (after taking off the rusty spots..)

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    Another week at the bodyshop has gone by.. some progress has been made..

     

    Made the lower parts of the left fender this time, to weld in.

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    Lv = (links voor)  or..  left front.  front part of the fender.

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    The rear lower part of the left front fender is made but no pic's yet..

    Then there was the left door, did some as we say "beeldhouw werk"  sculpturing haha,  it needs after 40 years and a not perfect strait weld some bondo..

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    Almost ready for paint...

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    there was a spot that was not perfect.. where the mirror sits or sat..   some rust spots, i better weld some copper in..

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    ( sp.L= spiegel links)  mirror left.  maesurements are centimeters.  cM.

     

    Welded the holes from the mirror.. but then, when i checkt it, the metal was to thin...

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    At the end of the day i went for the better option...

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    I welded it all around.. but no pic yet..  These are the small things that take a lot of time but they are necessary!

     

     

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    Another week at the painter/bodyshop..  Most time sanding and eh.. sanding and then…. some sanding! 🙄  Also used some new to me tools.. to get out some dents that were to severe to lieve alone..  Did i say earlyer that sanding is my favorite hobby?  NOT !!! :SNIF:

    First here the pic of the welded in new part were the left mirror sits. I know now the pro's and cons of copper/selicium welding…  one con is the weld tore easely when you want to lower it by hitting it with a hammer! So a second weld was neccessary.

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    Today (saterday) was a important day.. The first parts became a layer of epoxy in the spraybooth…. BY ME! :Yes:   I've used a spraygun many years ago but not much experience with them.. i think this went well..

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    Some small dents are still in there but... not bad for 40+ year old doors!   After this they get smoothed out with some bondo and become a new set off paint.  (Car will be painted in Nissan TK3, an Original nissan zx color.)

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    Some other pic's of prep.. and sanding..

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    bare metall pic's..

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    Rightdoor mirror, bare metall.

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    A "college"had some left over bondo.. i let him leave it on a little dent..

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    Next i'll probably do the hood and frontfenders prep and epoxy...

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    Yes Bart, it is going well, i try to work on it every working day and i get a lot of support of the guys who work at the bodyshop. Also from the owner of the shop. 

    Because i count all the hours i work at it (or someone else, like the pro painter or bodywork guy) last week we went past the 500 hours !  working on the car and i think it's going to be another 250 to complete the restauration.. 🥵  At least...

    These days i'm working on the fenders, left in particular and the hood (or bonnet!)  whole lot of.. you guest it... sanding! 🤮

    Even a brand new bonnet needs work, 

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    a Original NISSAN hood… where do i find them haha...!

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    Restoring the left fender..

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    left lower part of left front fender..

    I had a problem with heat, despite the copper/silicium welding i now did.. but about 20 little blows with a special hammer made it strait.. learned again something!  Then i discovered that i welded it to straight down, had to correct that.. now the lower front part deviates inward as it should! (see last pic in this part.)

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    lower front left fender.

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    Putting in a little piece in the wheelarch.  If you want to do this… i told the owner of the shop you have to have a diploma to weld newspaper paper..  😂

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    Sanding left and right fender.. (still busy..)

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    Sanding (with some rattlecan paint to sort out the imperfections).  Making the fenders and hood ready for epoxy coating. (later on the blue paint is sanded off completely before epoxy.)

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    Front left corner, welded in part fender, deviates inward.

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    Today i painted the hood and the 2 front fenders... after a week of... yep... mostly sanding.. The fenders are going to need some bondo were the new parts were welded in. Here some pic's of the work done..

    Ready for epoxy..

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    To weld these fenders you have to have the 3 courses Newspaper welding, otherwise you will not be able to weld them!  Definitely in the wheel arch! ROFL

    Here you can see the copper welding i've done in the arch..

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    Result..

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    The last weld-job (?) is a spot .. a typical DATSUN 280ZX rusty spot halfway in the floor, the left side was done last year and now i discovered that the other side (right) is also in need of an 2x2 inch peace of 1mm steel.. Also, the spot where the rear axle is connected to the chassis is a typical spot but in my case no problem at all!  

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    Just another week at the bodyshop..

    Some pic's of the right hand floor..

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    Welded spot and also on this pic the two bolts that in a lot zx's are a problem but not in this car! (the red is not rust it's a Original layer of the old glue that sat under the greenish tape.)

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    Bought a old r-hand door for some internal parts, like the little clips../ window mechanism/ opener...etc.    Here one can see what a "normal 280zx door looks like after 40 years.. :omg:

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    So far so good, this is what the car looks like, putting it together for some fitment checks.

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    Maybe next week or so.. the bodyman of the shop is taking over to get it perfect. I wanted to do that also but as the germans say:  ICH HABE DIE NASE VOLL!!  (STAUB)  :Bang:  (translated.. I'm fedd up with it.. or..  I'm sick of it?)  no seriously.. i've done this before but i can let them do this in less than half the time i would need.  (And if i'm honest.. i really.. really!!!  don't like prep and sanding!)  Later on assembling the car looks like a nice job to do, especially now most parts are ready to fit to the car.

    Getting the front window in seems to be one of the last hurdles to take..    

    Does anyone know where i can get those clipstrips (rubber band with several stainless clips on them)  needed to put the stainless trimming on?   There was a shop is the States but they only had the lower or the upper strip for sale, (i'm not sure )  if i order there i need them both..

     

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    So… these last 2 weeks busy with making the gaps perfect between the 10-11 parts a 280zx has in the front!  My bodyshop guy is making them flawless..

    Nothing to show for now.. in a few weeks i hope to get into the paintbooth with the 280zx..

    For the windscreen rubber maybe the Carglass guys have some clips for me (???)  to put the stainless strips on.. (round the windscreen so i can get them off when a screen is broken.)  and not laying in the silicone or other gummy mess...

    PLEASE,  if you have a good solution, tell me here!  thanks!

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    These clips? They came from the top stainless trim off the 82 NA 2+2. I heard there was another separate rubber piece but mine looks to have been put in with adhesive. The trim was held onto the car with these as it was. I expect there are more for the bottom trim but I have not removed that part yet.

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    19 hours ago, Terrapin Z said:

    These clips?

    Yes!  That could work for my '79 car..  Normally they are on a rubber band that is layd down in adhesive. ( one for lower side and one for upper side.. probably 2 different width's??)  I don't know if the 1979 and later 1982 cars had the same width stainless strips on the front screen...

    If the strips of stainless fit on those clips, i would like to know where i can buy these? Should be 2 different sorts of clips (diff. width).

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    4 hours ago, dutchzcarguy said:

    Yes!  That could work for my '79 car..  Normally they are on a rubber band that is layd down in adhesive. ( one for lower side and one for upper side.. probably 2 different width's??)  I don't know if the 1979 and later 1982 cars had the same width stainless strips on the front screen...

    If the strips of stainless fit on those clips, i would like to know where i can buy these? Should be 2 different sorts of clips (diff. width).

    I looked up the parts fiche again and it shows the clips for the 79 but does not list a part number. For the 82 it has the same picture and does list a number (72727-W1000) and qty of 7 for 81->. It does not show clips for the bottom. Both years show the same rubber strip (72825-P7900 upper - 72826-P7100 lower) They look in the pics like they had something on them, perhaps the metal clips you are referring to.

    These clips were tucked into the upper stainless when I pulled it off. It look odd to me as I don't see how they held onto the car. I'll see if I can get the bottom off and see what's under there. 

    These are available if you need them.

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    Thank you very much for your efforts! Nice to have a partnumber. i think i can order those if the glass guy doesn't have them,  thanks!!

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    Hahaha….  Today i got a funny mail from The USA..  from OC Carpets.com 

    I ordered a set of 2+2 280zx blue carpets in sept. 2017 for my car but they don't fit!  Here some pic's! 

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    So i sended them some pic's and explained that i was testfitting these last Friday..   Also sayd it's a euro version 280zx 1979 2+2..  i think they sended me a 2 seater carpet set but they said in a first reaction it was'nt..  It's made for a 2+2 and i would have A LONGER VERSION CAR!!   🤣

    HAHAHAHA… 😂😂😂   i'm shure the US and EURO version 2+2 cars have the same length!  SO i told them to give me a better solution than just to say my car is a special version!   (I'm a special version maybe… i am 6 foot 4 ! 😂)

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    Are there more people here that ordered a carpet from them? i'm interested what your experience is with this company?  I'm convinced they solve this problem..  if not i'll make a new topic here about the way they work and do business!

    With al the shippingcosts and the stupidly high taxes i payd over 400 euro for this set so i expect it to be fitting my car!

    TO BE CONTINUED!

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    18 hours ago, Zed Head said:

    You don't have the old set to compare to?

    Oh Man!  It gets even funny-er!  Look at my pictures!  The new ones are laying on the OLD ONES!!!! !!!!  in all the pic's!! 

    People who follow my restaurations here at home... they are .. to say the least.. "surprised"  that an american firm just tells me.. my car is altered the carpet is fine, my car is the problem!  I'm not far from getting very angry now… 🤬

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    11 minutes ago, dutchzcarguy said:

    I'm not far from getting very angry now… 

    I'm not far from their headquarters in Anniston Alabama, 30 minute drive.  You need me to go rough them up a little?  I'll take a 2x4 upside somebody's head.  LOL

    I've been able to buy from their ebay store really cheap prices too.  They supply just about all the carpet kits in the States.  I hope they get your order right and make you a happy customer.  Cliff

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    2 minutes ago, siteunseen said:

    You need me to go rough them up a little?

    HAHAHAHA 😅  Not yet..  NOT yet!!  Cliff!!   L.O.L. LOLLOL  Thanks for chipping in..  I'll wait for their answer on my explaination,  Do you (OR ANYONE) know of any brand car that made a different size car for different continents.. I SURE DON'T ….   As we say OVER HERE IN THE Netherlands: go fool the cat!!    (dutch.. MAAK DAT DE KAT WIJS! )   

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    You might get your problem resolved if you can get to talk to the owner of the shop.  You've probably been talking to somebody low in the organization.  But, if you make fun of the people you talk to, ridicule them, call them stupid, and/or tell them how angry you are, they'll just tell you to get lost.  

    I don't see the Item number on the paperwork you posted (I didn't look very hard).  You didn't say if it was the correct number for the 2+2.  4 seater.  It's probably on the box.  If you find that the Item number is incorrect, it will make things easier.  That's a miscommunication.  If the item number is correct then they have to figure out who put the wrong parts in the box.

    I would go through all of your communications with them from the beginning and see if you can find a place where a mistake was made.  I've always found that if you can show the path to a problem people will accept their mistake more easily.  But, you might find that you made the mistake, so be ready.

     

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