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13 hours ago, Blue said:

Need Original Carpets, Jute Etc.

There was a good discussion here recently about sources for authentic jute (The Roadster Factory... http://trf.zeni.net/webcatalog/specials9.35/38.php?s_wt=1680&s_ht=1050 ) and OE-matching early-style carpets.  Can't remember the carpet mftr's name (I think it was brought up by Jim Arnett).  Do a search on 'Careless'.

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I think most 1969 cars did not have carpets, they had rubber floor mats. I have never actually SEEN a car so equipped. It's one of those things that I hear about but never had the chance to see. I would like to find one in person and perhaps make templates and find the same material. I'm sure the Jute templates are different from the later fully carpeted models as well.

The jute I pulled from an very early 69 car was essentially goo and fibre by the time it came out. It was rather oily feeling and crumbly. Perhaps too much glue used from factory. As I recall, I only pulled jute from behind the seats and the transmission tunnel under the vinyl.

I paid for samples from the trf.zeni - but they are not completely natural Jute fibre even though they say it is. It's semi-synthetic. It's OK. I think most would be pleased with it. I wasn't, though. So far, I've contacted 6 different places and received samples... None fit the bill. I have another I'm looking into. At some point I will CAD draw the templates and or cut them manually and offer them for sale if the demand is there considering the amount of unpaid hours I've burned on this- but it's mildly entertaining and I'm making good contacts for future reference. I know where to get BMW and Volkswagen Jute now. LOL.

Please believe me when I say the longest portion of this particular restoration has been battling with this Jute stuff to get it perfect. Even the firewall padding jute is different. It's surely a different asbestos type fluffy material. I probably shouldn't have some in a bag so close to my bedside, but I occasionally take a look at it when searching for stuff.

The next car will go swiftly since I'll have that all hammered out.

 

Is there any interest in pre-cut factory shaped Jute kits?

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9 hours ago, Careless said:

I think most 1969 cars did not have carpets, they had rubber floor mats. I have never actually SEEN a car so equipped. It's one of those things that I hear about but never had the chance to see. I would like to find one in person and perhaps make templates and find the same material. I'm sure the Jute templates are different from the later fully carpeted models as well.

The jute I pulled from an very early 69 car was essentially goo and fibre by the time it came out. It was rather oily feeling and crumbly. Perhaps too much glue used from factory. As I recall, I only pulled jute from behind the seats and the transmission tunnel under the vinyl.

I paid for samples from the trf.zeni - but they are not completely natural Jute fibre even though they say it is. It's semi-synthetic. It's OK. I think most would be pleased with it. I wasn't, though. So far, I've contacted 6 different places and received samples... None fit the bill. I have another I'm looking into. At some point I will CAD draw the templates and or cut them manually and offer them for sale if the demand is there considering the amount of unpaid hours I've burned on this- but it's mildly entertaining and I'm making good contacts for future reference. I know where to get BMW and Volkswagen Jute now. LOL.

Please believe me when I say the longest portion of this particular restoration has been battling with this Jute stuff to get it perfect. Even the firewall padding jute is different. It's surely a different asbestos type fluffy material. I probably shouldn't have some in a bag so close to my bedside, but I occasionally take a look at it when searching for stuff.

The next car will go swiftly since I'll have that all hammered out.

 

Is there any interest in pre-cut factory shaped Jute kits?

IIRC, there was a vendor in Victoria, BC who offered Brit-style jute by the yard.  Knowing the Brti car community on the lower Island, I don't think they'd tolerate anything that wasn't absolutely 'pucka'.  Maybe worth investigating.  Alternatively, just 'go to the well':  Britain.  That was Nissan's inspiration for a lot of things in the early days ('My Fair Lady')..

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4 hours ago, Blue said:

Thanks.  I need the rubber stuff as well as the jute. I'll ring C&H and see what they can do.

Jim @ Chester & Herrod made a carpet set for me, and it was really well made. It's for #1606. Essentially identical to the one in the 1971, save for some small differences that he said were on the 1970 that he gave me the option of going with and changing at a later date.

Though, he will inform you that he can make the carpet to the 1970 style- but will tell you that the car didn't come with a carpet. It was just thin rubber weather mat material that was cut to shape. Perhaps the same shape as the carpets. I am not 100% sure.

Your 1969 Z should also not have any sound deadening in the cargo area, correct?

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19 minutes ago, Namerow said:

IIRC, there was a vendor in Victoria, BC who offered Brit-style jute by the yard.  Knowing the Brti car community on the lower Island, I don't think they'd tolerate anything that wasn't absolutely 'pucka'.  Maybe worth investigating.  Alternatively, just 'go to the well':  Britain.  That was Nissan's inspiration for a lot of things in the early days ('My Fair Lady')..

Tried them folks. Their phones are down all the time (both their US line and their BC line), and I'm pretty sure his stuff is identical to the roadster factory. He described to me on the phone that it had bright flecks, and it also wasn't that thick either. 1/4 inch thickness max. Needs to be minimum of 10, but closer to 1/2 inch is ideal. And I'm almost positive he only had Hardura available, which is not what we need.

got about 3 more options that I know of... then I gotta start begging suppliers to look passed Minimum order Quantity of 40'FCL. translation: 40 foot Full Container Load... anyone else interested in jute padding for at least 10 240Z's? You can buy 9 sets, and the 10th one is free. LOL

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Some Pics I found of Rubber Floor Thingies

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Figure 1.  Rubber Floor Thingy Corner

 

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Figure 2.  Rubber Floor Thingy Location (Technical Drawing)

 

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Figure 3.  Two Rubber Floor Thingies.

 

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Figure 4.  Rubber Floor Thingies (Reverse Side)

 

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Figure 5.  Rubber Floor Thingies (In Situ)

 

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Figure 5.  Rubber Floor Thingy

 

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Figure 6.  Rubber Floor Thingy (Closeup)

 

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Figure 7.  Rubber Floor Thingy Location (Technical Drawing)

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Ok, I have some time to write about this subject.

The very early imported cars (HLS30U, HLS30UV, and probably the Canada HLS30UN) arrived in rubber mat flooring spec, similar to the base standard S30 specification for domestic models.  From what I understand, Chester and Harod supplied carpeting to port-of-entry service and distribution because Datsun USA chose to sell the cars with carpeting and I don't know why they didn't come from Japan that way.  The S30-S Fairlady ZL came with carpeting.  In the case of my cars, carpeting was most probably installed at the dealer along with hubcaps and other items shipped with the car in bags and boxes.  The door panels and dogleg panels were typically shipped covered in a light "visqueen" clear plastic which was removed at the dealer.  Seat belts came covered in a plastic bag.  My original bill of sale lists carpets as standard specification.

In 2007, a couple of guys with very low VINs bought some sixteen carpet sets at one time for their cars.  I have two sets.  I also have most of the original rubber mat.  The picture of the mat with the lens cap is mine.  The pictures of the foot well mats are correct.  Notice the snap fittings for the firewall and the Velcro tabs for under the seats.  The Chester and Herod carpets come that way.  We discussed the "rubberized' clear backing to the loop weave when we bought the sets and decided that we wanted the backing for durability purposes.  And that is what you see in another one of the pictures above.  My sets came with cutouts for the luggage strap hardware on the rear deck carpet.  I seem to recall some sort of edge binding conversation when the sixteen sets were ordered and that it was duplicated from somebody's "original" set.

I'm not pleased with the fiber insulation mat that I got.  It is not anywhere close to the photos I have of stock insulation.  But frankly, if you don't lift up the carpeting, no one will ever see it.

Let me know if you find a source to replicate the original rubber floor mats.  I would be in for two sets.

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Blue,

I saw where you posted on the thread; "Loop Pile Carpet..." and wanted to thank you for that stroll down memory lane.  Perhaps I'm getting a slight off-topic by mentioning the comments HS30-H made and Arne's rebuttal.  What I wrote here previously considers the comments from that thread.  In the other thread, there is a comment about the initial introduction events in the fall of 1969 and the dealer comments which forced the inclusion of carpeting for North American imports.  That's entirely plausible.

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On ‎8‎/‎12‎/‎2016 at 8:25 AM, Namerow said:

There was a good discussion here recently about sources for authentic jute (The Roadster Factory... http://trf.zeni.net/webcatalog/specials9.35/38.php?s_wt=1680&s_ht=1050 ) and OE-matching early-style carpets.  Can't remember the carpet mftr's name (I think it was brought up by Jim Arnett).  Do a search on 'Careless'.

My loop-style carpet and seat covers came from Seatz, at the time they were still selling direct but no more.  I'm not sure who is carrying their products now but a contact to them might provide that info.  The "Where to Buy" button on their website has no content.

http://www.seatzmfg.com/seatz/index.htm

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On August 11, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Blue said:

Need Original Carpets, Jute, Rubber Floor Mats  Etc.

Are you looking for original NOS or used?  There are several aftermarket kits but that won't help if you are looking for the real deal (if you can still find a set).  

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I had to do some serious digging to find the correspondence with Chester & Harod.  Back to an old computer and search through the e-mails.  Here is what was written in 2007:

From Chester & Harod Auto Carpet Manufacturing (edited for grammar and speeling)

 

 

Hi.

We copied the rubber mats for our pattern but they had 5 prototype demos and they were all different floor.  When they (decided) on the one that they would produce, they put a jack behind the passenger seat with a cut out on the rear mat for it & we made 1800 mats that we had to take back & make that cut out for the jack.

  Those rudder mats is what they (were) going to use until they saw our carpet.  We can make rubber mats but carpet comes with padding.  We can make wool carpet if you (want) it'.

Hi

  We have the original pattern.  The original was loop.

  We made carpet for the first 1970 Z (1800 cars) that (were) shipped to the U. S. A.

We can make the carpet any way and out of any carpet you (want).

Kats posted pictures of the insulation he bought for his blue 240Z.  You will find his complete photographs in the archives.  That's what it (NOS) is supposed to look like.  I have some pictures from MikeB also.  His early cars show faded out stitching from original.  Finally, the edge stitching, loop detail and snap fitting from the new replacement carpeting.  This is as close as you are going to get to NOS.  I also want to mention that the early cars did not have a hook fitting welded to the floor under the front of the seat for holding the the front pieces in place.  It was a Velcro pad glued to the floor.  You can see the cutouts in the pad in Kats' car.

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Thanks 26th! That clearly states what happened in 69/70 in the USA. I'll order from C&H.  

 

I will also need the rubber so I'll keep looking for that as the car is probably Canadian (and may have arrived with rubber as you mentioned above).  I have to visit with the owners (2 before me) in Montreal the next time I am there to find out the history.

FYI Just got 1969 hubcaps so #249 is coming along. Fortunately it came with most of the original parts including the front valence corners (the centre piece is behind the chin spoiler) (Anyone need a chin spoiler?)

Thanks for your help!!

 

 

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On ‎8‎/‎12‎/‎2016 at 0:26 PM, Careless said:

I think most 1969 cars did not have carpets, they had rubber floor mats. I have never actually SEEN a car so equipped. It's one of those things that I hear about but never had the chance to see. I would like to find one in person and perhaps make templates and find the same material. I'm sure the Jute templates are different from the later fully carpeted models as well.

The jute I pulled from an very early 69 car was essentially goo and fibre by the time it came out. It was rather oily feeling and crumbly. Perhaps too much glue used from factory. As I recall, I only pulled jute from behind the seats and the transmission tunnel under the vinyl.

I paid for samples from the trf.zeni - but they are not completely natural Jute fibre even though they say it is. It's semi-synthetic. It's OK. I think most would be pleased with it. I wasn't, though. So far, I've contacted 6 different places and received samples... None fit the bill. I have another I'm looking into. At some point I will CAD draw the templates and or cut them manually and offer them for sale if the demand is there considering the amount of unpaid hours I've burned on this- but it's mildly entertaining and I'm making good contacts for future reference. I know where to get BMW and Volkswagen Jute now. LOL.

Please believe me when I say the longest portion of this particular restoration has been battling with this Jute stuff to get it perfect. Even the firewall padding jute is different. It's surely a different asbestos type fluffy material. I probably shouldn't have some in a bag so close to my bedside, but I occasionally take a look at it when searching for stuff.

The next car will go swiftly since I'll have that all hammered out.

 

Is there any interest in pre-cut factory shaped Jute kits?

I have a 1971 and I'll gladly purchase  factory style jute kit.

 

thanks

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13 hours ago, Hank240 said:

I have a 1971 and I'll gladly purchase  factory style jute kit.

 

thanks

still trying to find the two front floor jute pieces that go under the feet. the ones i have access to are torn at the ends, otherwise unusable. I may be able to guesstimate end length, based on carpet length.

will see what i can do. won't happen for a while.

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I have boxes of jute from several 240Zs. Some day when I get time I'll look through it. If anyone has an urgent need I can try to make time to see what I have. I've collecting for 30 years.

Chuck

 

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