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Thanks tlorber,

We did swap 3 caps but the pcix video slot drivers were taken out by by the cap. failures. The mainland chinese also do things like this:

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Their fake crap is even getting into planes!!!

I worked for a mainland Chinese company for 4 years and the thing that most westerners do not get are:

1. It is ok to rip off and duplicate (R&D).

2. It is ok to make cheap fakes.

3. It is ok to lie and deceive...just don't get caught as it shows you are not clever.

4. The mainland Chinese way is the best way.

5. Everyone is selfish.

6. Cheat the Govt. at every opportunity. (citizen)

7. Extort the people at every opportunity (govt/mafia)

8. You can polish a turd and sell it

9. Human life has little value

10. Filthy dirty environment is ok

11. Keep aborting until you have a son

12. Anchor babies. Have that son in the USA so that you can retire there and live off social services with money streaming in untaxed from China when he graduates from a USA university in 20 years

Sorry for digressing but the difference between old and new Mallory kit failing is most likely due to Chinese parts.

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1. It is ok to rip off and duplicate (R&D).

3. It is ok to lie and deceive...just don't get caught as it shows you are not clever.

5. Everyone is selfish.

6. Cheat the Govt. at every opportunity. (citizen)

7. Extort the people at every opportunity (govt/mafia)

8. You can polish a turd and sell it

9. Human life has little value

10. Filthy dirty environment is ok

These could all apply to America's current business and political practices. As for the first one, I went to school with an American machinist back in the 80's and he was making injection molds on the side, of a copy of an American product, for an Asian company so that they could make rip-offs in Asia to sell to the world. He used to complain about the work going "off-shore" until the opportunity came to make money from an "off-shore" company. People, around the world, just do what makes money.

Calling it a "Chinese" problem isn't keeping up with how things really work. There are probably just as many Americans, or non-Chinese, leading the effort to bring these product in to the States and other countries. The Asian workers probably have no idea where the things they make are going. They just work for contractors who produce to the specs. they're given.

I agree that we all should be aware of the counterfeiting problem but labeling it as Chinese only is misleading.

Thanks for the links.

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The ways in mainland China are quite different from Taiwan and Hong Kong. I think it maybe from the years of oppression and breaking up families... it is very tragic.... however the norms in that country are very different and it is worth being aware of.

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Well the beauty of the Mallory is you can recurve it at home with a simple recurve kit. It is infinitely variable. That is if you can keep it working.

MSD needs to step up and make a better system.

Or we can all just step up our game and go to a crank trigger and call it a day.

MSD did a neat box to get an alternative to Mallory Unilite dizzy.

They've made a 6AL-2 box where you can setup your timing curve with a computer. Then, you have to lock your dizzy advance mechanism.

MSD Digital Programmable 6AL-2

As far as I'm concerned, I've moved to Megajolt + EDIS since failure of my box. My Unilite dizzy still works fine though.

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Wow, that 6AL-2 box has me slathering...

I assume that it can work with the robust OEM dizzy as well?

This is getting VERY interesting..

What does it use as a trigger?

Do you set it up at 0° at idle, or max advance at idle and let it pull timing where needed? Either way cool.

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Or we can all just step up our game and go to a crank trigger and call it a day.

There's an idea! :P

I love it when people ask me how the car runs "without plug wires" (I've left the distributor in as backup, haven't used it yet).

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There's an idea! :P

I love it when people ask me how the car runs "without plug wires" (I've left the distributor in as backup, haven't used it yet).

Leon,

After seeing and hearing your set-up, I have no idea why you still have the distributor in. It is rock steady idle wise, and there doesn't seem to be any part of it that should be unreliable. It all comes from production vehicles that kick out some pretty hefty mileage...

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Leon,

After seeing and hearing your set-up, I have no idea why you still have the distributor in. It is rock steady idle wise, and there doesn't seem to be any part of it that should be unreliable. It all comes from production vehicles that kick out some pretty hefty mileage...

Thanks Rob, I agree that the crank-trigger is itself reliable. My work, however, may not be! LOL

I have full confidence at this point, I've done thousands of miles on it without a hiccup (knock on wood). The distributor is in there just for fun at this point. Also, I haven't bothered to buy or make a block-off for it. :)

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Leon, can you post pics of your setup

To me a crank trigger would be the bees knees

You know, I don't think I've taken any good ones, just progress pics. I'll take some tonight. ;)

For now, here's a progress pic showing the syncronization of the trigger wheel to the engine (sensor offset).

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  • 2 weeks later...

Strange thing happened on my way to the car show this weekend. This was the first time I drove the car since I installed the new ignition module. The car was pinging like crazy. If I was as low rpm in 3rd or 4th just giving it moderate gas would make the engine ping like mad. This had never happened since I recurved my dizzy long before the rally. But the first drive after the new ignition module I get it all over the place

Now, this would seem to indicate that there is significant difference between one ignition module and another. Yet another sign that Mallory quality control seems to be a bit shakey.

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Steve,

I've been thinking about this a lot. Is there any chance that you may have unhooked or dislodged one of the timing curve springs when you re-installed the new module? This would represent less force on the advance mechanism causing it to advance too quickly and resulting in the pinging that you are getting.

Just a thought. Otherwise I can't see why the new module would do this unless it was just faulty to begin with (It's Mallory so that could be it) or was installed incorrectly (not likely given that you did the work).

Mike.

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I am going to check the timing when I get home hopefully.

It should be 14 ° BTDC at 1000 rpm.

It should be 31 ° BTDC at 2800 rpm.

I will let you know if it shifted. IF that is not it, then I will put some good gas in it, as that 92 may be exasperating the problem. It is already on the ragged edge with 93 octane. That 92 is not doing it any favors....

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I recently swapped out my Mallory distributor for a rebuilt stock dizzy from a 1976 280Z. The stock 1976 unit can be used to directly trigger the magnetic pickup on a MSD box. I've thus far been very happy with the results. Other than the MSD box this system should provide OEM reliability and if you go with the programmable MSD box then you should have the flexibility you are looking for. Not as sexy as as trigger wheel setup but performance should be the same or maybe a little better due to the higher voltage and multiple sparks provided by the MSD box. Just my $0.02.

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I'm using the stock timing curve because I using this setup on my track car which lives it life between 3000 and 7500 RPM. Solid, stead and reliable 34° of maximum advance is all I care about. If you are looking at the 280Z dizzy you might consider the 75/76 model as it uses a magnetic pickup and when coupled with an MSD box it does not require an extra ignition module as the later model units do. Dave Rebello recommended this setup to me and talked me out of going with a crank trigger system. In his opinion it's the most reliable ignition setup for my application.

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Well some interesting news on this topic.

I checked my timing today after doing nothing but replacing the ignition module. I had severe pinging last time I drove it, and no wonder.

At 900 rpm, I was sitting at 21 degrees BTDC!!!!!!!

Again all I did was replace the ignition module on the Mallory. I have no idea why it would effect timing so much. I had it set at 14 BTDC, but just replacing the module the tolerance stack up and module delta equated to 7 degrees more change in timing.

Crazy

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