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Is it just me, or is this place a rip off?

Stuff is overpriced in my opinion. I dont know of the quality because I could never fathom spending the amount they request for any of these items.

I just want to know what the community thinks so maybe things will change.

You know your 2 cents counts as a total to something in the end.

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The Z Store or MSA has been around for a very long time providing a parts source that others haven't even come close to. The old saying goes, you get what you pay for. Buy it used and maybe it will work or buy it new and know it will work. I've bought numerous pieces and I have never been disappointed with the quality or performance.

My personal opinion is they have done a great job keeping this passion of ours alive with their parts sourcing, reproduction items and hard to find items.

Chris

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- Convenient and professional.

- shipping is high

- most clubs get 10% discount...ask for it.

- Inflation is everywhere... ask for a raise to join in.

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You are in the KC area, so I might suggest you visit Black Dragon Automotive in Lenexa, or online, www.BlackDragonAuto.com, they still have a paper catalog upon request 1-800-789-DRGN. You will save shipping costs if you go there. Then there is genuine Nissan parts from Courtesy.

Maintaining, customizing upgrading,,,etc... is not cheap on ANY car. (unless you want it that way) :)

Bonzi Lon

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Joker72z - very well said!

Tymarbry - Life is full of choices for all of us!

Spend the time to do your own research - make buddies with your local Nissan Dealer Parts Manager - let him know what you are working on - you know the last time they saw a Datsun 240 at their dealership - give him the Nissan part number you need -

Benefits

Original Nissan part (when still available)

No shipping charge (or at least for me)

Two day turn around if ordered before noon (in my area)

Maybe a discount if you ask for one - my Parts Manager gives me their body shop rate - 20% discount

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i have built some of my cars ebay style. its like chris said you get what you pay for and i know that i did my hyundai project i did all ebay all for the body kit. all i can say is that if you get cheap parts you better buy 2 atleast.

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I have ordered a variety of parts on multiple occasions over the past five years and while I might be able to get parts cheaper elsewhere, the effort and risk involved with sourcing and dealing with others has left me thinking that MSA is likely to be my first port of call for parts that I cannot easily source in Australia.

I get a 10% discount, receive news on monthly specials, have always appreciated the service provided by the sales staff, and always think I get a pretty good deal.

The term "rip off" is a very strong descriptor that I would most definitely NOT apply to MSA. The amusing thing that I see on ebay is listings of items at higher prices than I see for the same products available from MSA and the shipping prices associated with some of those listings have been the subject of discussion on this site. At least MSA prepare a final amount with a firm shipping quote for your consideration before the order is confirmed.

Finally, I see MSA actively supporting the Z community at formal gatherings and events. They get my support for that alone when other considerations are roughly equal.

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Tymarbry

I have to ditto the sentiments of others here. MSA in addition provides technical support. Other companies that retail parts for our vehicles as well may provide a somewhat similar service but the edge that MSA has is that they are almost exclusive to Z owners of all years. It is up to all of us to shop aronud for he best price. We are not forced to buy from them exclusively. I have a list of over 50 parts suppliers saved to my favorites and at some point or another during my rebuild on Projrct 3/72 I may in fact use them all.

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Stuff is overpriced in my opinion. I dont know of the quality because I could never fathom spending the amount they request for any of these items.

Allow me to add another vote for MSA/Z Store. I buy items from them every few months and have for years. I've never been disappointed or felt overcharged.

Are some of their products expensive? Yes. But, that tends to be the nature of the product, not the vendor. I feel that they offer quality parts at competitive prices.

If you "can't fathom spending the amount they request" and feel their "stuff is overpriced", the solution is simple - buy elsewhere. It's a BIG world. Unfortunately, restoring or maintaining a 40 year old car is, often, not for the faint of wallet. :)

Dennis

Edited by psdenno

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Well I do suppose "Rip Off" is a bit harsh but still I feel that prices could be fairer.

I spent quite a bit of time last night going through different websites and I like Z source alot. They have new and used items availible.

But if Nissan really does make parts for 240-280z cars then I may go there first cause dealer stuff cannot be beat.

I remember for my 86 corolla, alot of parts were discontinued which is a shame. But while the parts were still availible, you could give them JDM Trueno part number and they could give you japanese parts cheap.

Im not sure If you can do that through Nissan or not, but I think its worth trying once I find a japanese part I want.

Edited by tymarbry

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Want better prices? That's easy. Contact all of the auto parts suppliers you can find. Be prepared to make a few trips to Japan and China. Buy hundreds, if not thousands, and sell what you don't need.

Sarcastic? Okay, I'll cop to that, if you want to admit you are coming off as pretty ignorant. If you want better prices, shop around. Just be prepared to find that the cheaper parts are sometimes exponentially cheaper in quality. Maybe you'll get some bargains in there, too.

Yeah, MSA isn't always the cheapest. Some parts are still available at the dealerships for less. My links have a good start for your pricing research. Be prepared for many parts to come back NLA.

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I echo others sentiments. MSA for me. I have imported from them on a number of occasions, and found the service second to none. Four days to to my door in NZ. We can't get local deliveries any faster.I own what I consider a rare car (72 240) and don' mind paying a bit extra to be able to source parts for it.

Brian

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Understand that MSA only deals in parts for Z's and has a business and staff the size of many car dealerships.

They also carry items not available elsewhere through their contacts, suppliers and manufacturers.

Their folks are knowledgeable where other sources are not.

Some sell all kinds of parts for all kinds of vehicles and their order staff is just that, take orders but know nothing about the parts they sell.

Cheap is not always the best way to go and calling someone a rip off is very immature without some form verifiable documentation.

You are gonna get a reputation and no one will help you that really has the correct answers.

When places like MSA decide to do some other kind business, that's when you are really gonna learn what expen$ive is.

Ask VW bug owners about prices of parts "back in the day".

Many Z's are inexpensive to buy and thus cause the owners to believe that everything on the car should be available for cheap.

Unfortunately, not a correct belief.

Edited by H4LIGHTS

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I will agree with the OP, and the opposition. Yes, the prices are higher than they could be, but we would rather MSA makes a profit, or stay in business, than go bankrupt, or just throw in the towel. It's a tough business, and if they need to make a buck to stay around; so be it. We need a BIG Z store around.

I don't think your statement was way off base, or that you sound immature, or that your reputation is at stake. That's a bit harsh. You just have to look at it from the point of view of a business in this economy. Let's face it, for many of us, the Z is play money, and there's not a lot of that going around these dayz.

Edited by cygnusx1

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MSA has outstanding customer service. Given the quality and selection of products, I'd say they represent a very good value.

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I think you should count yourself lucky to have a store like MSA, I wish there was a store like that here in Australia I could buy from, instead over the past few years I've had to pay O/S shipping rates which isn't cheap.

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Maybe naive is better.

Nissan was one of the few car companies that continued to provision for their cars well beyond the legal requirements, a real money loser overall for them but a great reputation booster with the enthusiast.

They had some folks in the company that really cared about Datsun.

Heck, they even got into the restoration program and had some old previously unavailable parts produced again.

Then they almost went bankrupt and Renault came to the rescue with a more mainstream business model.

ROI now rules the day at Nissan USA.

Do not expect things to get better any time soon for older Z car owners. Even the small remanufacturers and boutique parts and accessory shops have been disappearing over the past couple of years.

If many your posts gravitate around the high costs of whatever, IMHO it may be better to find a vehicle that will be more cost effective, in your estimation.

Z's are cheap to buy and that may be a bad thing.

Sooner or later the sugar coating disappears and the bitter pill remains.

Interestingly I've heard the same complaints about the independent businesses of RacingBeat (Mazda) and ToySport (Toyota), yet when you want quality these are the go to guys in many respects.

Edited by H4LIGHTS

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Well I did in the end want opinions on the matter and I did get them. Even with my integrity at question here.

I mean a leather shift boot cost $30-60 on there. Really? Something I can make in a day and cost of like $9 shouldnt be $30 or more. I understand quality comes at a price. But overall you cant scare your customers away with high prices.

I mean how much quality is there in a fender flare? They are all plastic/carbon in the end. Some things just dont need to bear a hefty price tag.

If everyone is happy with MSA then I guess its time to close the thread down.

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I mean a leather shift boot cost $30-60 on there. Really? Something I can make in a day and cost of like $9 shouldnt be $30 or more. I understand quality comes at a price. But overall you cant scare your customers away with high prices.

Would you work for $30-60 a day? Really?

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They aren't the cheapest place in town. I do get the club discount. The shipping is a bit high on large items.

That being said, my local parts stores can't get a lot of the stuff MSA gets. I've spent quite a bit of money with them and have been pleased. I do shop other places, it depends on what I want. If it's brake parts or gaskets, I'll get those at rockauto.com or the local parts store.

If it's weather stripping, wheels, air dam, emblems, exhaust, or other "z" special part, I'll look to MSA first.

Life would really suck if we didn't have a few "z" special shops around. It takes a lot of effort to run a specialty business and they deserve our support.

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I live about half an hour away, so I go there every now and then to pick up parts that I need. Admittedly they can be a bit expensive sometimes, but often they're the only place that has the part that I need.

They've been pretty helpful and friendly for the most part, although I was left hanging once when my backordered part kept getting delayed and delayed until I finally gave up and canceled. I don't think it was their fault that they were unable to get the part, but I think the communication could have been a bit better.

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You can call black dragon and ask a technical question about a product and they "will get back to you" with no technical help.

You can try and find the original nissan part# and order from the dealer; or ask MSA if their product is a original Nissan part.

The biggest disappointment for me with MSA is not the price--but the lack of R&D of the items they sell.

example; higher wattage dash bulbs. Not a plug and play, even though they are sold that way. i had to modify the bulds to work, as well as other members on this site. Did anyone at MSA actually due any real world testing with these bulbs.

another example; Headers. Just look thru the archives to see all the fitment problems with the headers sold at MSA and also the exhaust systems. MSA are suppose to be the experts on our cars---thus the higher prices,, but I don't find that to be true.

So both pros and cons---like any other business I guess

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I ordered ball joins from MSA they were cheaper at BD but decided to order from them because this web board advertises their site and sometimes you get what you pay for. They were some Korean junk and MSA did not offer for me to return them for a refund. All they had to say was " We have sold 100's of them without any problems" . As for the old saying "you get what you pay for" was brought up by some members as to why they order from MSA, i needed rotors all the way around for mt Eclipse, i found a seller on ebay that had old stock from a defunked parts house and got all 4 shipped for $175. when they arrived the rear were made in Japan and the front were Brembro.

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BD are very good with their catalogues compared to MSA that used to sell them. For web catalogue I do not like either MSA or BD. I think MSA's is slightly better.

Also I just ordered ~ $1100 from BD and ~ $800 from MSA. BD gave free shipping and followed up with a nice signed thank-you card. Sort of corny marketing stuff but it is impressive to see they are trying and doing.

Both are different but both are great.

I just wish each would canvas suppliers to make more Z parts.

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I think we've probably reached the point where we're beating a dead horse. It's difficult to compare prices at MSA with BD or anyone else without taking into consideration a plethora of issues not related directly to the actual vendor's cost of the parts. Obviously, the parts don't jump into the shipping boxes all by themselves and there's a good chance that labor costs in Southern California are a little higher than in Lenexa, Kansas - the same for rent, utilities, and everything else that goes into running a business.

I think the only thing we're going to agree on is that a Z can become a hole in the driveway into which we pour money. Some holes are deeper than others and each owner needs to know when, and how, to move on to a more shallow hole - or where to look for cheaper fill.

Dennis

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