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It's very Z432-R or PS30-SB inspired. I'm looking forward to seeing how the tuning scene takes to these cars. With twin turbos I'm expecting them to be quite a popular thing.

Edit: just saw others reference the 432-R also.

@katsI think your photos make me appreciate it more than another couple of earlier photos I saw.

The only critique of this car I have is regarding the hip lines. Which seem to be able to be drawn back to the 350z. The original S30z is very svelte through the waistline, where as the 350z/370z are quite wide in that area.

I am not sure if it's a constraint of modern cars or a design choice. But I also own an FD3S RX7 and I just feel the S30z and FD are so similar in design approach. Both have feminine lines, but at the same time are quite muscular.

Perhaps I will feel different when I see the new Z in person but I think it's the 1 thing I would change if I was lead design at Nissan.

I otherwise think it's a great to see Nissan finally start to embrace what was so special about the early cars after years of moving away from it.

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On 1/15/2022 at 12:06 AM, v12horse said:

Kats, your posting was my bat signal to drive my Z this morning. 😎

Hi Ben , your posting made me take a ride with my Z today . I visited Kyoto Nissan , a sales manager gave me a cup of rice cracker featuring car line up in Nissan . Let us know about your car anytime.

Kats

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Hi Gavin, I have same opinions with you about the current Z34 .  But this time I like  the way how design team “ correct “ the body line around rear fenders . I would say I want more S30 look for the front , but I now become to like it especially the orange car . 
Hope you will see the new Z in your local Nissan soon.
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On 1/15/2022 at 10:01 AM, siteunseen said:

That's an awesome Fairlady, way better than what we've seen over here.

I too thank you @kats for the photos and am really glad to hear from you. We've all missed you!

Thanks siteunseen !

The orange was surely the star of the show , it was surrounded by so many people.

The rumors I have heard is , Nissan will not sell a car like this but they will sell those  body kit as dealer optional parts for customers who buy the new Z .

Maybe Nismo version will have another different body kit and performance .

Kats

 

 

 

 

 

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On 1/15/2022 at 7:43 AM, 26th-Z said:

Hey Kats!  Happy New Year!  I like the new Z but I need a pick-up truck more than another Z.

Hi Chris, Happy New Year! How are 26th and 27th doing ? Hope they are having good progress .

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Hi Alan, thanks for the input, I agree with you. Some people say orange color combination came from 911 GT3 RS , or American sports car some years ago. But this orange new Z is inspired by yes , Z432-R .

I talked with Takeuchi san ( owner of the Z432-R in the picture) yesterday, I asked Takeuchi san if he knew well before the new Z would be inspired his Z432-R . He said “No ! That is why I was surprised at the show , I like it ! “ 

Takeuchi san pointed out the orange new Z has the black side graphic stripe, but it is inverted from his Z432-R ‘s side stripe, the thin stripe went bottom for the orange new Z .


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Hi Kats.

I have a theory. Just a hunch, but I feel that the very high profile of Takeuchi san's PZR in recent years has been an inspiration to Nissan's design team.

His car has been seen in magazines, videos, blogs, social media posts, indoor and outdoor shows, autocrosses and just generally driving around everywhere. It has even been my personal taxi service on more than one occasion. Takeuchi san is very generous with his time and his car, and many people get to see it. Takeuchi san even joined us here on classiczcars.com and shared his restoration with us. It is one of the most special variants of the S30-series Z range, but it is not locked away in a glass box. It lives!

I think the styling team's inspiration for this 'Customized Proto' show car was not just any Fairlady Z432-R, but Takeuchi san's 432-R in particular.

 

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Oh, and one other thing. It has been said that Nissan are considering the possibility of making this 'Customized Proto' into a Limited-Edition model variant, and they suggested an edition of 240 cars.

I think that is disappointing. I do not think the number '240' has any significance in this context. Personally, I would choose 25 as the original series production quantity necessary to homologate the 432-R into JAF and FIA Group 5 Prototype racing class (but maybe not enough to be worthwhile), 270 (although not many people would understand why...) or just 432. 

In any case, judging by the positive reaction, they should probably consider a much higher quantity. They'll sell!

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8 hours ago, kats said:

Very rough condition, but I can’t ignore it because of the chassis number and blue exterior and blue interior like my HLS30-02156 . 

Haha, I bought HS30 00150 in part because a friend of mine has HS30 00149 and I had seen the car a few years earlier for sale and thought gee, I'd like an early 240z in that colour! (920 Safari Gold).

Im glad you got it Kats, it's a great colour combination. I bought HS30 01415 because it was 904 white and blue interior - which as you probably know is extremely rare for HS30 delivered cars.

The new Z looks good in the orange. I like the brochure you posted photos of. I hope they make it a standard version (not a dealer tune up version).

I think Alan is right with the early cars appreciating in value and the recent high profile 432-R sale and attention on the model it's likely to have inspired the design team).

I am now hoping for a Safari Gold colour..

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5 hours ago, HS30-H said:

Oh, and one other thing. It has been said that Nissan are considering the possibility of making this 'Customized Proto' into a Limited-Edition model variant, and they suggested an edition of 240 cars.

I think that is disappointing. I do not think the number '240' has any significance in this context. Personally, I would choose 25 as the original series production quantity necessary to homologate the 432-R into JAF and FIA Group 5 Prototype racing class (but maybe not enough to be worthwhile), 270 (although not many people would understand why...) or just 432. 

In any case, judging by the positive reaction, they should probably consider a much higher quantity. They'll sell!

Alan , me too disappointing. Nissan , please don’t say “ this Customized proto is going to be limited edition “ .  Originally, Z is for everyone, it shouldn’t be changed. 
The yellow “ Proto spec “ is limited edition which is only 240 cars in Japan . I think that is OK because people can get same body style , same body color , same engine in a standard version as the “Proto spec “ . 

An interview at the show , Tamura san said “ we will not sell this Customized Proto if we can’t see strong demand. We need positive reaction to make this happen “ 

I think Tamura san was very sure people’s reaction before the show . And yes I have heard so many voices at the show “ I want the orange ! “
Kats

 

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3 hours ago, Gav240z said:

Haha, I bought HS30 00150 in part because a friend of mine has HS30 00149 and I had seen the car a few years earlier for sale and thought gee, I'd like an early 240z in that colour! (920 Safari Gold).

Im glad you got it Kats, it's a great colour combination. I bought HS30 01415 because it was 904 white and blue interior - which as you probably know is extremely rare for HS30 delivered cars.

The new Z looks good in the orange. I like the brochure you posted photos of. I hope they make it a standard version (not a dealer tune up version).

I think Alan is right with the early cars appreciating in value and the recent high profile 432-R sale and attention on the model it's likely to have inspired the design team).

I am now hoping for a Safari Gold colour..

Hi Gavin, yes I know your 904 white/ blue interior, Automatic transmission car and I have just looked at its pictures yesterday. I wish my new blue car was mint like yours , I need to do lots of work , first of all , it needs to be a running condition. It lost a transmission! What happened? 
I have got some interesting story about my new blue car , I will tell you about it later in this thread.

920 gold will be nice for the new Z , I am feeling the new Z will look great in classic colors , hope Nissan will take my opinion! 

Kats

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11 hours ago, kats said:

Hi Ben , your posting made me take a ride with my Z today . I visited Kyoto Nissan , a sales manager gave me a cup of rice cracker featuring car line up in Nissan . Let us know about your car anytime.

Kats

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This is so neat Katz! Thank you for sharing.

Here's my guess (verb).

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On 1/17/2022 at 4:40 AM, siteunseen said:

This is so neat Katz! Thank you for sharing.

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Bingo ! There are also Hakosuka , Ken meri , etc ..And it is so tasty . This rice cracker is a popular Japanese snack “ Kaki no Tane “ ( persimmon seeds) . It is soy sauce flavored and it is a perfect combination with peanuts .

Kats

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On 1/16/2022 at 5:45 AM, kats said:

Hi Alan, thanks for the input, I agree with you. Some people say orange color combination came from 911 GT3 RS , or American sports car some years ago. But this orange new Z is inspired by yes , Z432-R .

I talked with Takeuchi san ( owner of the Z432-R in the picture) yesterday, I asked Takeuchi san if he knew well before the new Z would be inspired his Z432-R . He said “No ! That is why I was surprised at the show , I like it ! “ 

Takeuchi san pointed out the orange new Z has the black side graphic stripe, but it is inverted from his Z432-R ‘s side stripe, the thin stripe went bottom for the orange new Z .


Kats

 

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Strange exhaust on the new Z.

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Z432-R tribute?  Well, we can probably all agree it has to first shed 500 pounds in the process.  The front end treatment is markedly better than the other two prototypes -  I personally really like it.

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On 1/19/2022 at 6:26 AM, DC871F said:

Strange exhaust on the new Z.

Hi , I was thinking same thing, I don’t know it is cool or not , but anyway it is very unique.

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On 1/19/2022 at 5:04 PM, xs10shl said:

Z432-R tribute?  Well, we can probably all agree it has to first shed 500 pounds in the process.  The front end treatment is markedly better than the other two prototypes -  I personally really like it.

Hi, I also like the front end of the orange . Not only the front end , it is also lowered 20mm , served with bigger wheels and over fenders . This orange car won “ best concept car “ award  of the show . This prize surely pushes Nissan to make this body kit for customers in next year . 
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