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On 11/11/2008 at 3:18 PM, Carl Beck said:

The red car used in the 1969 US Sales Brochure was most likely HLS30 00002 or 00003. Most likely the same car used in the Factory Picture and Press Release Documents you provided. It looks like they were all from the same photo session of the same car.

The car in the Service Slide show - could be 00003 - as you have it marked at possibly going to the Service Dept. On the other hand it might be 00002 because the suspension components seem to be scuffed in the pictures - and 00002 is listed as being Test Driven by Shatai

Fun to try to figure this out...

FWIW,

Carl B.

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Hi @kats & @Carl Beck,

 

I do think the red car is HLS30-00003. Here are two interesting images from the first FSM with the red car.

Do you see a number written in two locations? 🙂

 

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10 hours ago, 240260280 said:

I do think the red car is HLS30-00003. Here are two interesting images from the first FSM with the red car.

Do you see a number written in two locations? 🙂

I think you're reading too much into the numbers shown on the back of the dash.  My HLS30-00210 had "No 3" written on the top of the inner fender.  That didn't mean my car was HLS30-00003 either.  I think these numbers were some kind of code, possibly inspection marks. I'm attaching a photo that Kats posted from an early JDM parts catalog that shows similar markings on either end of the inner rock panel:  "No 2" on the left and some other writing and an arrow probably pointing to an area needing some more work on the right.  My car also had some kanji writing on the door and quarter panel which I think were also notes about some more finishing work that was needed before being painted.

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Here's a photo of the writing on the door of my HLS30-00210 after the paint was stripped off.

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I seriously doubt that the script "No" means 'number' in the language of a Japanese factory worker.  Thanks for the pictures.

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With respect to the early Red Z in the first FSM.  Some of the unique parts were photographed and documented.  Here is that  fuel return part that was first on the fuel bowl then moved to the rail. I wonder if the design and/or part was taken from the twin SU roadster or 510 SS?

 

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The different fuel pump routing is also captured in the FSM:

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5 hours ago, 26th-Z said:

I seriously doubt that the script "No" means 'number' in the language of a Japanese factory worker.  Thanks for the pictures.

Sure Chris, glad to provide you with plenty of pictures, as always.  Where exactly in my post did I say that 'No" means 'number' in the language of a Japanese factory worker?  If you read my post you'll see I said I think the writing is some sort of code, possibly inspection marks, similar to the photos of the circled number '3' that blue posted.  I don't believe either markings are related to the VIN of the car.

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Completely agree.  Inspection marks, messages, part ID / process ID, a number of different things.  Not, in my estimation, related to chassis VIN.  Is it my eyesight, or are the arrowed numbers in Blue's gauge pictures reversed?

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Thank you Blue , MikeB , and Chris .

I see ③ on the two places , they are LHD dash board, so the picture is no reversed .

I think it is very Japanese people-ish 

that writing ③ , people always tend to write numbwr in a circle when we want to mean “ numbering “ . 

( I can show here ③ easily because my keyboard is for Japanese language ) 

Also , it is very natural for Japanese people that we use  “ No “

for “ number “ , this is numbering too .

However , it is a little bit abrupt that we think the ③ on the dash would mean HLS30- 00003 . 

It doesn’t have to be HLS30-00003 ‘s dash for the service manual ‘s photo example. 

The dash could be pulled from a shelf where newly assembled dash boards standing-by for the installation.

Kats

 

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Hi , I will replace a rear deck glass of my Z432 with a NOS one soon , I have got this when I flew the place and brought it back home with my plane. 

I am so glad that the defroster works perfect, the glass passed the operation test . It is my style , boiled water under the glass .

Kats

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I will make a replica of this label , this can be seen in the test car of US and Canada in late 1969 .

Kats

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Nice Kats, love the idea of recreating the old genuine part sticker too. Looks like you carried that glass with you through the airport lounge.

I'm glad I'm not the only 1 who carries car parts with me on international flights. :D

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Hi Gavin , I have carried a dash , some Bridgestone Super speed Radial -20 , 4.5 J steel wheels etc 🤗 But this time , I was so nervous because of the glass , it is fragile .

Of course they were in a cargo , not in a cockpit !

Today I did re-adjustments of the front bumper which I was not happy. This one is the earliest bumper which has only single stud bolt per side , and this one is not perfect shape compared when it was new . I want it to be more pointing on center tip ,  and the bonnet is also not perfect. I want the bonnet to be more flat or even pointing up on center tip .

I am now compromised , little bit happier than before . I loosened the bumper little bit downward to have more distance between the bonnet and the bumper.

I also have installed the rear side bumper which is the earliest one , without cut away near the bracket below.

Kats

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At least I have one label of glass which was removed from the NOS one when I had it for my blue 1970 240Z , that was in 2003 .

Kats

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One more tonight, 

I would like to show this tape , this is a Nissan 8 track stereo demo tape .

It contains guidance of operations of the stereo system , a female voice talks to you “ thanks for choosing Nissan 8 track car stereo,  this stereo is very reliable under vibration condition.... to begin with, let’s adjust the balance of left and right speaker s , I will make a sound from the right , then left , and both ... “

And this tape is made by Clarion , Stereo system was made by two manufacturers, Hitachi and Clarion at that time . Hitachi doesn’t provide music , but Clarion was a brand of music , lots of singers belonged .

This tape , at the end , Nissan March is featured. I found this March was used in the film of “  development of Datsun 240Z “ at the end of its video , you will hear it.

Kats

 

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Blue , you play the guitar! I love Fender Storatocaster . Like Zcar , 1969 model is the best I like . Jimi Hendrix is my hero . 

Kats

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@kats I love love love the 8-track. 🙂 I really like the warm feel of the old radios.

I think the movie The Man From U.N.C.L.E captures the magic of the old radios in this scene.

I can almost taste that sandwich watching it. 😄

I would love to find an Peppino Gagliardi 8-track out there. :).

 

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Hi Gavin, I will watch the movie after my work ! 

The car HLS30-02545 , is my hero too .

I have learned so many things from the book written by Mr. Bill Reagan . It is simply amazing work of art  , fun to read and fun to look at . Even more , I have heard Mr. Paul Taylor has put a lot of effort for ultimate goal which he set . Mike at Banzai Motorworks did great job for the car .

I was inspired by this car , I desperately wanted to collect five original Bridgestone super speed radial -20 175 SR/14 .

It took ten years to achieve it , now they are in a warehouse. Funny thing I couldn’t stop myself using them , I enjoyed driving a few months  with my blue 240Z  . I ended up blowing one tire when I was approaching a tole gate ! 

Then I had to get one more old Bridgestone, soon I found one luckily.

Kats

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Also I have learned from the book written by Mr . Wick Humble “ How to restore your Datsun 240Z “ .

I think there are countless people who have learned from the books like me do .

Kats

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2 hours ago, kats said:

It took ten years to achieve it , now they are in a warehouse. Funny thing I couldn’t stop myself using them , I enjoyed driving a few months  with my blue 240Z  . I ended up blowing one tire when I was approaching a tole gate ! 

Then I had to get one more old Bridgestone, soon I found one luckily.

Kats I'm sure I don't need to tell you this, but old tyres are for display not driving on. 😄

On my 72 240z when I replaced them after having the car in storage for many years when I was living in Europe (7+ years) I decided to replace all 4 tyres. To my shock I discovered they were from 1987! I couldn't believe how different the car felt when I put new tyres on it. It completely transformed the car. It went from a bone jarring hard ride to a soft complaint car. When we replaced them we noted the sidewall was starting to crack. I am not surprised you had a tyre blow out.

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15 hours ago, kats said:

Blue , you play the guitar! I love Fender Storatocaster . Like Zcar , 1969 model is the best I like . Jimi Hendrix is my hero . 

Kats

Hi @kats,  this is my only connection to Stratocaster's.  15 years ago I did a set of manufacturing drawings for a vibrato system that a guy was designing for vintage Stratocasters, he called it Xtrem Tremolo.  I got so involved that I ended up creating a full 3d model of his guitar complete with the system he designed, here are a couple of rendered images of the 3d model.  I really enjoyed that project, as it was such a change from my usual work of designing mining equipment. Thanks for reminding me, good memories

Cheers

Mike

 

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😍Mike , thanks for sharing your story, you are an engineer of designing mechanical components, are not you ? 

In 1984 ,  Van Halen was so popular in Japan , I was a little teenager just dreaming about playing like him . His guitar has a BIG Tremoro Brock , Floyd Rose ? No matter how hard you up and down the arm , tuning won’t be Iosen .

Kats

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