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Thanks Mike , nice owner’s manual for Fairlady Z series!

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1 hour ago, kats said:

Thanks Alan , that is what I too would like to introduce everyone outside Japan , and even more , I want to emphasize this , the first Japanese market S30 reclining seats (10/69 to 01/71 ) don’t flip forward . So there is a difference in the seat reclining mechanism cover . The earlier one has a wide tab , on the other hand , the later one has a narrow tab . This difference comes from the travel amount of the seat back supports . 

 

I don't know about anybody else, but for me what I call the "flip forward" function of the seat back wasn't so much about quick recline of the seat back for driving position, but more useful to access the area behind the seats and the tool stowage area/rear deck via the doors. Maybe everybody else thinks about it in a different way?

November 1969 Nissan 'Service Shuho' #184 (Z-1) calls the lever the 'Reclining Device' and the large knurled knob the 'Back Fine Adjustment Device'. The later design added more forward flip, but I've always thought of it as more useful for access...

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2 hours ago, 240260280 said:

All 1970 cars I have seen just have the round knob for back tilt. There was no flip forward lever.

 

Here is one with the knob on the outside.

 

Why do you think the seats have been reversed, Blue?  Or are you insinuating that they are originally like this?

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 My early 71 had the knurled knobs. It was a PITA to access the jack and tools anchored under the plastic hinged cover. 

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2 hours ago, 26th-Z said:

Why do you think the seats have been reversed, Blue?  Or are you insinuating that they are originally like this?

My friend's Z.  He did it.  I think he preferred the knob on the outside.

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19 hours ago, Mark Maras said:

 My early 71 had the knurled knobs. It was a PITA to access the jack and tools anchored under the plastic hinged cover. 

My early 71 also had those almost useless knobs. I swapped in some seats from a 77 280Z, new foam and leather from Interior Innovations, and now have the flip forward option which is really nice for access to the jack and tools under the plastic hinged covers.

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Hi , I have picked up my car , and the seats were beautifully done , I am so happy with it . Mr. Sudo made them look early type , fat seat back . And also he put his hand work for my 240ZG’ s seat bottom . Only RHD bottom have it’s center portion replaced . I can’t tell which one replaced viewing from a few feet away. 

Kats

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Hey Kats, let me know if you have any old blue seat material you don't need afterwards? I would like it for HS30 01415 😁

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@nix240z , thanks Steve , the blue seats now got your seat bottom bolster, looks Fantastic and installed just like an original !!

The picture which shows the blue interior used for measurements is excerpt from the video of Nissan motor company.

My blue is a little bit greenish , the color was arranged  to achieve matching other aged interior trims .

Kats

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1 hour ago, Gav240z said:

Hey Kats, let me know if you have any old blue seat material you don't need afterwards? I would like it for HS30 01415 😁

Hi Gavin , I have no problem giving it to you , but I am wondering the color would match your interior or not . The biggest problem is , either my old blue vinyl or remaining vinyl are not enough for your pair of seats . 

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Thanks Chris , I like it too .

Here is a quiz , 

Who said “ let’s shave the meat here “ of the early seat back ? 

#1 Mr . K 

#2 Interior designers 

#3 Kaku - U member  (test crew of  240Z in US and Canada  in late 1969 ) 

 

Mr . Sudo always says “ the seat which I make is not original, but I try to make it look original. Also I add pads and change tension of springs etc etc ,  these work will definitely give more comfortabl hold for a driver / a passenger.

I think the modification of a later slim type to transform to an early fat type was a challenging task , this had never done before for Mr . Sudo .

Pleas see attached pictures, the shape is different,  and now I feel very natural that my 03/70 240Z has a pair of an early type seats .

I have bought a beige rubber band for the seat bottom, but this time I didn’t intend to supply it because Mr. Sudo ‘s band is very attractive for me . I will not take my blue 240Z for The judged car show anymore , and I think I can make it original look using the rubber band anytime .

Kats

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Hi , 

Who said “ let’s shave the meat here “ of the early seat back ? 

 #1 Mr . K 

#2 Interior designers 

 #3 Kaku - U member  (test crew of  240Z in US and Canada  in late 1969 ) 

The answer is 

#3 Kaku - U member . They reported back to Tokyo along with numerous other issues of  a new sports car , S30 series .

I installed the seat bottoms which were restored by Mr . Sudo for my 240ZG , the seat backs are non - restored, 100 % originals . But I see some deformed at the RHD seat .

 looks so nice. 

Kats

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I don't think the Z seats ever got the credit they really deserved for their styling.  Maybe not so excellent from a functional or comfort perspective, but really great to look at and perfectly in tune with the exterior styling.  

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2 hours ago, Namerow said:

I don't think the Z seats ever got the credit they really deserved for their styling.  Maybe not so excellent from a functional or comfort perspective, but really great to look at and perfectly in tune with the exterior styling.  

Thanks Namerow , 

I thought S30’s seat back was inspired by Porsche 911 , but when S30 was development in progress ( like 1968 to 1969 ) 911 has old fashioned seat back . 

I believe Mr. Matsuo and his team said the seat back which was integrated with the head rest was the new , never seen in other production cars .  Is it true ? So far I think yes .

Kats

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On 4/30/2019 at 2:28 PM, Gav240z said:

Hey Kats, let me know if you have any old blue seat material you don't need afterwards? I would like it for HS30 01415 😁

Hi Gavin , here are the pieces which were replaced by new vinyl pieces. Do you really need them ? I don’t think they are usable though. But let me know if you need , I will send them to you .

As you can see my blue trims are not matched with each other , each trim has each aging sign and stain . I wish I could have a complete set of new trims including seats ! My blue looks like green ,especially the overhead trim and the center tunnel, and the side dog leg panels.

And a comparison of fat and slim seat back , you can see the difference in the width of the side piece . Plastic panels looks light blue , very different from the other trims .

BTW , my blue car doesn’t have a access panel for replacing bulbs. 

Kats

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On 5/5/2019 at 1:23 AM, kats said:

Thanks Namerow , 

I thought S30’s seat back was inspired by Porsche 911 , but when S30 was development in progress ( like 1968 to 1969 ) 911 has old fashioned seat back . 

I believe Mr. Matsuo and his team said the seat back which was integrated with the head rest was the new , never seen in other production cars .  Is it true ? So far I think yes .

Kats

Mr Matsuo is a genius!  Thinking so far ahead of the world.

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On 5/5/2019 at 5:23 AM, kats said:

I thought S30’s seat back was inspired by Porsche 911 , but when S30 was development in progress ( like 1968 to 1969 ) 911 has old fashioned seat back . 

I believe Mr. Matsuo and his team said the seat back which was integrated with the head rest was the new , never seen in other production cars .  Is it true ? So far I think yes .

1968 VW Type 3 models had 'high back' seats. I owned several VW Type 3s in the past and I had both low back and high back seat versions. As far as I remember, the switch to high back seats was due to safety legislation (rear-end impact/whiplash) and perhaps VW were one of the earliest adopters?

 

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Thanks Alan , that is very helpful to understand what was gong on to the seat designing  at that time . 

A legislation effect, I got it . So was it like Japanese and German manufacturing’s adherents habit which were sometimes seen in industrial world ? Prepare and finish well before the cut off date of regulations applied.

Lamborghini Miura , and Ferrari Datona didn’t have the high back seats in the same era , did they ? The legislation was not mandatory? Or just recommended item , not necessarily had a high back seat ,  a head rest was a must item ? 

How about other Nissan cars in 1969 ?

Blue , Mr . Chiba is the interior designer of S30 .  Approximately in early 1968 , dashboard and seat and other things had its design finished . He said in this book ‘ I disappointed a little bit about the finish of the production dashboard, the cray model which I designed had much sharper edges around meter foods.  I was told by the manufacturer ‘ you can not have the edge here and there , and there ‘  I felt the technology of vacuum forming at that time was limited compared to today’s level ‘ 

This book ‘ Motor Fan ‘ 20th Oct 2002 is very fun to look at .

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5 hours ago, kats said:

Hi Gavin , here are the pieces which were replaced by new vinyl pieces. Do you really need them ? I don’t think they are usable though. But let me know if you need , I will send them to you .

Thanks Kats, but I don't think those particular sections will help me out. The damaged areas on mine are the base and sides but not those particular pieces.

5 hours ago, kats said:

BTW , my blue car doesn’t have a access panel for replacing bulbs. 

Is that an early car feature/difference Kats? I've never seen that on a 240z myself. 

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Kats I'm so glad the dashboard turned out the way it did, the early S30Z dash is a timeless design and still looks fantastic today. I'm yet to see a more exciting instrument cluster in a car ever! My FD RX-7 is close, but I still love the trio of center gauges and think they really add to the sporty feel and the deep tach/speed-o-meter binnacles are the best look in front of the driver. Ergonomically it may not be the best by today's standards but aesthetically I still love it.

I see aftermarket accessories for the FD RX-7 to give the 3 gauges to the left of the driver.

Even my Stagea 260RS has the trio of gauges in the middle. So I really think it's a timeless look emulated by many all these years later.

FWIW, I hate the way it was replicated in the 350z (Z33) / 370z (Z34), it doesn't look cohesive with the dash, like the early cars did.

 

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These rooftop pictures of  prototypes in 1968 certainly had high-back seats and a refined interior.  The black wheel in the targa and the the centre console are different.

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20 hours ago, Gav240z said:

Is that an early car feature/difference Kats? I've never seen that on a 240z myself. 

 

Yes.

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Gavin , your FD has a set of gages on top of the dashboard, cool !

I will show you my Nissan SUV has a additional gages too .

Blue , you did find the pictures, thanks posting them again . You see the ‘ Z flag ‘ on the targa bar .

Kats

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