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@Gav240z, one of the earliest export Z's had same tail lights &  front turn indicators for the Aus. market... apart from the LHD it is a car for you!

Plus as rear spoiler.

 

The red car in the brochure above does not seem to have any external mirrors?  Usually there were wing mirrors in your market.

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1 hour ago, 240260280 said:

@Gav240z, one of the earliest export Z's had same tail lights &  front turn indicators for the Aus. market... apart from the LHD it is a car for you!

Plus as rear spoiler.

The red car in the brochure above does not seem to have any external mirrors?  Usually there were wing mirrors in your market.

That blue car is likely a European market HLS30 with the amber rear turn signals and clear front parkers. I've seen them referred to as "export" market parkers on Yahoo! Auctions Japan. You can also tell it's European (likely) because AU market cars didn't have a turn signal in the front fender (note it's smooth in that photo?). We didn't get them in that position until 1974+.

Early AU market cars did indeed have fender mirrors. From 70-71. (2 styles, a flat mirror and a later bullet mirror like the Japanese Market cars).

However from 72-73 they got a single side mirror (like North American cars) on the driver side only. The passenger side had no mirrors fitted. Unlike North American market cars it was uncommon to see dealer fitted mirrors on AU market 240z's. We did get a lot of aftermarket wheels in place of the steel topy wheels though, which makes them very hard to find over here. Both my 70's had aftermarket wheels fitted from new. #51 had peanut / kidney bean style alloys and #150 had Aunger Hotwires (even as a spare).

Lots of people fitted later mirrors or mirrors off other cars later on (since many didn't like fender mirrors) or didn't like the single door mirror on the driver side. Hence you see a lot of Ford Falcon XA mirrors fitted to these cars.

Side note: The data I've collected on AU market HS30s (and HS30's in general) indicates that 903 Blue is quite a rare factory colour (3% of total cars).. I love the colour, hopefully I can find a 903 Blue car at some point!

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Hi Blue, I really love this car, Euro model . One thing we might keep in mind is, this car could be a "Portuguese version " spec suspentions. Not a "Final Europe model " configulation .  Like we have discussed about the test report of Euro spec development , Nissan engineers began studying from Feb 1970 , completed in 27th Mar 1971 . So this blue 1969 Tokyo motor show car was born before the study for Euro version.

I read the report carefully, I come to think like this,  at the beginning of the production, some of the HLS models could have the first version euro suspention , that is  later called "Current Euro version" as seeing from the report .

In the report, " June 1970 , we confirmed and set the Current Euro version like this ..." , this would indicate that Current Euro version could exist from the begining of production.  Nissan began studying faithfully for the Euro model from Feb 1970, but this does not mean they did not do anything for the Euro model before Feb 1970.  

However some of you noticed , this car's tire is not a 175HR 14, the car has 6.45-14 Dunlop grand speed, that does not match the report , and rear side markers like US is something uneasy for me. But I guess this car has Current Euro version ( Finally called Portuguese version) spec suspentions .   

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Hi Gavin, I am glad that  you have got it, I hope it will assist your study a little bit . Let's talk about it in sometime. We still find new hidden ZGs and 432s today .

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8 hours ago, kats said:

Hi Gavin, I am glad that  you have got it, I hope it will assist your study a little bit . Let's talk about it in sometime. We still find new hidden ZGs and 432s today .

Kats  

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Thanks Kats,

I like to think that 907 Green 240z (AU spec) is my car HS30 00051 - however there is no way to really know for sure. I recall a friend showing me that full brochure in person many years ago. He got it when he first bought a 240z in 1971 (it was incidentally 904 white with a blue interior - photos here) However I was only able to find the second photo with the woman outside the house - which is very 70s Australian architecture (here is an example of such a house, a family friend's father penned this design back in that era). I couldn't find the front cover photo again. Thanks for sharing it.

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1 hour ago, Gav240z said:

Australian architecture (here is an example of such a house, a family friend's father penned this design back in that era).

Much like 70's architecture in the US too. I noticed in the floor plan that there's a Porsche in the garage.

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49 minutes ago, w3wilkes said:

Much like 70's architecture in the US too. I noticed in the floor plan that there's a Porsche in the garage.

The Porsche on the floor plan (is not from the original plans) it's more an "aspirational" diagram for the punters to feel like their buying into that sort of lifestyle I suppose? :). You see it a lot with glossy Real Estate brochures over here, they will put vintage / classic cars in the driveway or in 3D renderings etc..

Sadly that home and many others like it are often being bulldozed to make way for multiple dwellings on the block (multiple town houses). My aunt sent the house to me as her friend was somewhat sad about selling the house his father had designed and I guess much like us car enthusiasts want to find a good home for our cars to preserve them, some people want to see houses go to someone who won't knock it over for the next best thing and in the name of making a quick buck.

In another thread I noticed similar architecture with a 240z here.

I don't want to derail Kats thread with talk of real estate, but I can't help but notice such things when looking at old brochures and the like, because it is of that era. I've recently started to warm to 70's styled houses - having not given them much thought until recently. I guess it's a lot like S30Z's there was a period in the 90s where they were dated and somewhat uncool, but their timeless styling has made them more desirable again.

 

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Anything is welcome here Gavin !

I also think the old architecture is beautiful, I envy . Japanese 60’s And 70’s , they are not like that , Japan was glowing up it’s economy but most of people couldn’t have that kind of house . 

Kats

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If the green car is your 00051, that would be great!! 

No rear defroster, no OK sticker , and , all the glasses looked clear glass , to seeing the things through the glasses looked  just it is , non tinted . What do you think of it to compare your 00051 ? 

Kats 

PS : I took my ZG today for 500 km trip to see Mr. Yamamoto ( OK Racing ) very fun to drive , I feel this car is faster than my Z432 .  Maby the same if I judge them 

by the stop watch . But this L24 with SU /  5 speed with 3.9 rear diff , and the G nose .

These things make this car so fast and quiet , stable on the highway , and fun to steer on a mountain road . Mr. K must be smiling in his yellow G nose 240Z . Why did not Mr. K give a choice for customers as a variation model in the US  ? It should not be an optional parts , should be ? 

Cost matter ? Styling taste ? 

Japan is the only country where G nose is available with the car , some other destinations received as an optional parts . 

Kats

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I love the Dino, I almost bought one in high school, but when you look at it next to an S30, it's tiny! I would never fit in it. I think I will stick with my old Z cars instead.

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Wow, it would be a shame to separate this pigeon pair. They belong together.

You'd be kicking yourself for selling a Miura though! What a car.

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Z car all the way! Love it's bodystyle, the front end, the rear... Given the choice, I would always choose the Z (which is why I'm in this forum and not in a Ferrari one, like most of us LOL).

I've never really liked Ferrari anyway. I guess I have a bit of bias.

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Cannonball Baker Sea to Shining Sea Memorial Trophy Dash, 1975, Jack May and Rick Cline, 35 hours: 53 minutes in a Ferrari 246 Dino.  Nice Ferrari.  Nicer HS30-H, Kats!

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Thank you everyone , I am glad that you like Dino but even more love Z .

Dino has GT in its name but  it is more like a racing car . ZG does not have GT in its name but it is a GT , if I was driving from LA to NY , I would take ZG for the journey.

Kats

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Nice pictures Kats...

I feel the biggest mistake is giving the US 240Z a 4 speed, it would have much more potential and top speed with a 5 speed wide ratio gearbox...

Everytime I drive my 240Z in the modern traffic around 80 mph and after that the engine is allready making to much rpm to be cruising @ a higher speed...  so really missing another extra overdrive gear here :(

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I'm not sure why the US market got stiffed with a 4 speed box. AU market cars were all 5 speeds from the beginning.

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Ask Mr Matsuo at ZCON!!! (Why USA got 4sp in 1970)   [mention=4648]SteveJ[/mention]
According on January 1970 R&T issue, it was optional. I remember when i was in the northern part of NY state buying body panels from a 240Z parts car, the guy had a low numbered car somewhere in the 6XXs that had an original 5 speed. He even mentioned the correct stamped number on it that i don"t recall. But i don't know to beleive it or not.
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Thank you everyone, me too , why ? 

I remember there was an interesting interview of Nissan engineers with journalists  in a magazine .The engineers said something about “ feeling of Porche type synchronized shift “ , maybe they were afraid of having claims in the US ?

They said the point is F4W71A is a Warner type  which has good “ snap “ when shift gears , on the other hand , FS5C71A is a Porsche type which has “ push and squeeze “ feeling which some people don’t like it .

I willl check when I am home .

Kats 

 

 

 

 

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If I heard the translation correctly tonight, Matsuo San said that he didn't think Americans would want to row a 5 speed so we got the 4 speed instead

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That's crazy lol, the car would have much more potential with a good 5 speed ( overdrive ). Although the 4 speed is pretty damn wide ratio, it's lacking in giving the car a proper top speed.

I mean okay you can pull it to 190/200 km/h in a sprint and max out the rpm, but for continues driving at high speed it just isn't suitable.. you really need an overdrive here.

Offcourse I have to consider back in the day 120 mph was alot

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