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Hi,

I have been thinking up load these test reports from a gentleman who worked Nissan as a member of test drive section.

I think it is a good idea to show these before I turn to be unable do it.

Details will be available later I hope.

#1, PS30(Z432) performance report ( From 25th Feb 1970 to 14th Mar 1970)

#2, Avoidance of Exhaust gas entering in a cabin (11th Sep 1972)

#3, Improvement of stability at high speed cruising for HLS30Q for Europe

(from Feb 1970 to 27th Mar 1971)

kats

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Hi!

I've been following this thread with great interest and i'd like to provide you with some information i get. I've been in contact with THE Rauno Aaltonen (i dont think i need to explain who he is) and among other things, i asked him about the car he was testing in Monte Carlo back in 1970. This is his reply rougly translated:

"...What comes to car i was testing in Monte -70, you can say it was built to be rally cars prototype and it has little common with stock car.

Carburators were 3 dual carbs, Mikuni or Weber i dont remember. It has lock differential (?i dont know the word), racing chassis and all the unnecessary was stripped off. So about car you can say it was mobile laboratory, electrical memory measured simultaneosly over 40 different things. Colour was red like the all factory (Nissan) racing cars at the time.

Results were that good that i participated -71 Monte gaining unique result of 5. in general(?) competition. Monte was a RALLY back then, not a kindergarten like it is today. I used 3 years as a main test driver for making 240Z a race car and eventually results were good. Safari wons etc.

Those racing cars were so different from stock that you cant compare them. In the other hand racing car VIN's were for authorities only. With same number you could have many cars. It was so called "Carnee"..."

and second mail where i asked about more about car (was it Z432-R or...), he didnt answer all though.

"...as far as i know it was pure 240Z because we were concentrated purely on this cars advantages and disadvantages. Even the smallest detalis could make difference! Car had a right hand steering. I could drive occasionally with left hand steering but mostly right hand..."

Hope this helps a bit.

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Hi!

I've been following this thread with great interest and i'd like to provide you with some information i get. I've been in contact with THE Rauno Aaltonen (i dont think i need to explain who he is) and among other things, i asked him about the car he was testing in Monte Carlo back in 1970. This is his reply rougly translated:

"...What comes to car i was testing in Monte -70, you can say it was built to be rally cars prototype and it has little common with stock car.

Carburators were 3 dual carbs, Mikuni or Weber i dont remember. It has lock differential (?i dont know the word), racing chassis and all the unnecessary was stripped off. So about car you can say it was mobile laboratory, electrical memory measured simultaneosly over 40 different things. Colour was red like the all factory (Nissan) racing cars at the time.

Results were that good that i participated -71 Monte gaining unique result of 5. in general(?) competition. Monte was a RALLY back then, not a kindergarten like it is today. I used 3 years as a main test driver for making 240Z a race car and eventually results were good. Safari wons etc.

Those racing cars were so different from stock that you cant compare them. In the other hand racing car VIN's were for authorities only. With same number you could have many cars. It was so called "Carnee"..."

and second mail where i asked about more about car (was it Z432-R or...), he didnt answer all though.

"...as far as i know it was pure 240Z because we were concentrated purely on this cars advantages and disadvantages. Even the smallest detalis could make difference! Car had a right hand steering. I could drive occasionally with left hand steering but mostly right hand..."

Hope this helps a bit.

Al the Datsun 240z,s used for the rally and for recce in the 1971 Monte had different carnet nr and 4 of the 5 cars where LHD , just one customer 240z driven by Mr and Mrs van Bergen , from South Africa was RHD ,

One of these #62 driven by Raano Aaltonen in the 1971 Monte Carlo rally is still existing , and I know much more about , these 4 LHD cars where build in aug 1970 , regarding to the chassis nr from TKS33 SA 985 and changed in september to a Dutch registration .

Thanks to Alan , Rauno , Rob Janssen ( who was driving the car in the 1971 RAC Rally ) did we dig out the history .

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Hi Guys:

I'm a little confused by the use of a couple terms - could be something lost in translation.

As I understand the definitions of the terms:

Chassis Number - - the serial number stamped into the body of the car, usually in sequential order that identifies that unique unit. Such as 00001, 00002, 00003......

Vehicle Identification Number {VIN} - - The series of letters and numbers that identify the completed vehicle.

Such as HLS30 00006, HLS30 00007, HLS30 00008.....

H = 2.4L engine

L = Left Hand Drive

S30 = 2 door sports coupe

00006 the chassis that car was built on.

Carnee/Carnet - - Japanese carnet registration number as Alan defined it - in effect the Japanese license plate number for identification of a specific car - which could have also had a License Plate issued by the country within which it was being operated.

So the Carnet ie the Japanese registration and the license plate could be transferred from one car to another - - and one car could have had more than one Carnet Number, depending on what Country it was registered for road use at what point in time.

However the VIN and its included Chassis Number were unique to a specific car. {Unless a car was completely rebuilt from others - and only one VIN was retained to identify it }

Adrian - - are you indicating that

1/1970 240z HLS30-1639

8/1970 240z HLS30-7996

8/1970 240z HLS30-7998

8/1970 240z HLS30-8449

Are the VIN's of the 4 LHD cars that were "Works Rally Cars" ? Or are they cars that you presently own?

From an earlier thread - #7996 was identified as TKS 33 SA 987 {71 Monte Carlo Rally}.

Thanks,

Carl B.

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Hi Guys:

I'm a little confused by the use of a couple terms - could be something lost in translation.

As I understand the definitions of the terms:

Chassis Number - - the serial number stamped into the body of the car, usually in sequential order that identifies that unique unit. Such as 00001, 00002, 00003......

Vehicle Identification Number {VIN} - - The series of letters and numbers that identify the completed vehicle.

Such as HLS30 00006, HLS30 00007, HLS30 00008.....

H = 2.4L engine

L = Left Hand Drive

S30 = 2 door sports coupe

00006 the chassis that car was built on.

Carnee/Carnet - - Japanese carnet registration number as Alan defined it - in effect the Japanese license plate number for identification of a specific car - which could have also had a License Plate issued by the country within which it was being operated.

So the Carnet ie the Japanese registration and the license plate could be transferred from one car to another - - and one car could have had more than one Carnet Number, depending on what Country it was registered for road use at what point in time.

However the VIN and its included Chassis Number were unique to a specific car. {Unless a car was completely rebuilt from others - and only one VIN was retained to identify it }

Adrian - - are you indicating that

1/1970 240z HLS30-1639

8/1970 240z HLS30-7996

8/1970 240z HLS30-7998

8/1970 240z HLS30-8449

Are the VIN's of the 4 LHD cars that were "Works Rally Cars" ? Or are they cars that you presently own?

From an earlier thread - #7996 was identified as TKS 33 SA 987 {71 Monte Carlo Rally}.

Thanks,

Carl B.

No Carl , carnet nr can not be transfer to other cars , its a temporary export permit , normally for a year , the canets ar specific for a car , and details as Chassis nr , type , ectr are written on the carnet ,

These carnets as I say are valid for a year , and within this year the goods on the carnet , in this case cars , have to be shipped back to where they come from , to clear the carnet .The japanese did this to avoid local taxes .

Or , if they stay in a a other country , they have to pay local taxes , as import tax , Vat , ectr. In case of the 1971 Monte cars it was probably cheaper to leave them just in Europe .

Carl #7996 is the only works car , and after research we found out its the TKS33 SA 985 the #62 car in the 1971 Monte ,

The others are just early cars in my Garage

Regards

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I hope I'm not intruding in a middle of a topic with my next question. By the way I love your cars what great detail, and passion you put into them. I hope mine will look at least half as good as yours.

My question is about the Dunlop Racing tires, I love them and would like a set for my car were they NOS? On your website, the sticker on the tire looks new, I've seen very few tires new with a sticker in as good of shape as on the tire. This made me think their might be a resource for these tires. I might be hoping too much, but it does not hurt to ask.

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I hope I'm not intruding in a middle of a topic with my next question. By the way I love your cars what great detail, and passion you put into them. I hope mine will look at least half as good as yours.

My question is about the Dunlop Racing tires, I love them and would like a set for my car were they NOS? On your website, the sticker on the tire looks new, I've seen very few tires new with a sticker in as good of shape as on the tire. This made me think their might be a resource for these tires. I might be hoping too much, but it does not hurt to ask.

In Europe they are still used for classic racing , the size you probably need for a 240z is 5.50-14 , i used them on a z as well .

Btw there is not much choice for 14" .

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In Europe they are still used for classic racing , the size you probably need for a 240z is 5.50-14 , i used them on a z as well .

Btw there is not much choice for 14" .

I know that is why I ask the tires sold in the US just don't look right, I want that classic look I'll see what I can get. I'll just haft to be careful with the cops if they are not DOT rated.

Another thing I wanted to ask about is the plastic film you used to protect the car what brand and type is it? I've been having a hard time finding something like that for when I put my car back together.

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I know that is why I ask the tires sold in the US just don't look right, I want that classic look I'll see what I can get. I'll just haft to be careful with the cops if they are not DOT rated.

Another thing I wanted to ask about is the plastic film you used to protect the car what brand and type is it? I've been having a hard time finding something like that for when I put my car back together.

in perod they used 4.75-10.00-14 Dunlop racings or 215/70-14 road/rally tyres ,

the tape ypu ask for is used on helicopter blades andprotect them for damage , I have it in my shop but i have to look for brand , i sure it comes from the states,

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Hello everyone,

I am sorry I did not reply for those nice inputs.

Thank you Koalia , z-spec , those are wonderful story.

ajmcforester,my Z432's Dunlop is still available like Michelin XWX.It is a bit expensive for 14inch wheel,but I really like the looks.

You can buy it from U.K. via internet.I got them in Japan ,Dunlop Japan is selling them(I think shipped from U.K.)

kats

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Hello everyone,

I am sorry I did not reply for those nice inputs.

Thank you Koalia , z-spec , those are wonderful story.

ajmcforester,my Z432's Dunlop is still available like Michelin XWX.It is a bit expensive for 14inch wheel,but I really like the looks.

You can buy it from U.K. via internet.I got them in Japan ,Dunlop Japan is selling them(I think shipped from U.K.)

kats

Thanks Kats I found a supplier in Canada, I also found the blue film the stuff works great on protecting the car while working on it.

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Hi,

Have you watched these already?

http://www.dai2ntv.jp/player/index.html?item_id=NtvI00007911

http://www.dai2ntv.jp/player/index.html?item_id=NtvI00013902

http://www.dai2ntv.jp/player/index.html?item_id=NtvI00013903

My friend told me this web site,some nice old TV show "11PM" which every young people watched in Japan.

I think this 240ZG in this film has just made a debut to the public ,this part was titled "CAR GUIDANCE" might be around late 1971.You can see fresh 175HR14 too.

Also the Safari winner car,I can not believe Nissan let them drove that important car!The car might be soon returned from the rally.

kats

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Hi Carl,

I hope you can see it, the link directs you viewing immediately.

Or regional matter?

Thank you purplemonkey,you were able to see it, were not you?

Both of you are in Florida, how about other regions?

kats

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Kats,

I can't see it in any browser I've tried (Firefox, Chrome, IE). It's a Flash-based video player and I've tried with the latest versions of Flash. I'm unable to translate the attached error message but hopefully that will explain why it's not working for some of us.

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Thank you Mike, Jim

Oh my, that attached error tells us "you can see it only in Japan" .....

This site has a lots of old car's film , "11PM" was introducing some nice cars from late 60s and 70s in Japan.Toyota 2000GT, skyline, Mitsubishi GTO, e.t.c. and some import cars.

I have to find some good way to show all of you outside Japan...

kats

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Hello,

I do not think many people out side Japan would be interested in this,

but I would like to share this,PS30-00011 is still owned by an gentleman since 1978.

Recently I managed to obtain the registration data at 1978 from a Z fanatic,I was surprised that PS30-00011 was sold and registered.

A few days ago my friend has got an e-mail from the current owner,the owner is exactly the same man whos name was in the list at 1978.

The owner told my friend the 00011 has been garaged and disassembled to restore, but still needs lots of time to complete.

I am curious which car was assembled earlier between PS30-00011 and S30-00011 and HLS30-00011 and HS30-00011.

kats

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Hello,

I do not think many people out side Japan would be interested in this,

but I would like to share this,PS30-00011 is still owned by an gentleman since 1978.

Yes, of course we are interested Kats! I think that most of use are interested in all of the S30 variants. I am glad that PS30-00011 still exists! Maybe we will get to see pictures of it some day.

I am curious which car was assembled earlier between PS30-00011 and S30-00011 and HLS30-00011 and HS30-00011.

kats

That is a good question Kats. As your data has shown (and Chris' Datsun 240Z Sports production video confirms), many of the earliest cars were right hand drive. It is possible that the first #11 was PS30 or S30. From what Carl indicated in this old post, the first HS30 that was sold to the public was #4 and that was supposedly produced in Jan 1970 http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showpost.php?p=45367&postcount=15. Not sure if that is accurate or not. It also makes me wonder if Nissan really needed to test and keep the first 15 or so of each of the different S30 variants. Maybe the testing was similar enough that they could use the knowledge gained from one test model prototype and apply it across other variants. That way they won't need to test and keep as many of some variants.

-Mike

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I find the crash photo very interesting that it appears the car is missing lots of parts. No emblem on the fender, front bumper ?, windows down, seats ?, rear quarter window appears missing, no door handle or lock, no gas door lock, missing rear bumper, and the rear hatch glass appears missing. I understand the quarter vents covered by crash markers. Would some of these parts installed help the crash worthyness? Sad to see it in that condition.

Bonzi Lon

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