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Will #1 240Zs Be Worth This Much Someday?

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Hard to say, but not likely. That car is a bit more rare than the average Z, and there's a whole muscle car world backing that one to high numbers.

The Z following, while committed and dedicated, just isn't as big, and while more and more people are finding these cars and loving them, I have a feeling we'll be little more than a niche market.

If it gets to the point that you can pick up a Jeg's catalog and order ANY part for your classic Z, and shops are starting to produce parts that are NLA, rather than just hunting for the occassional spare and charging a fortune, then maybe I'll change my thinking.

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Pity the guy that buys the car. Whatever he pays . . . in 10 years, the value will drop like a rock to next-to-nothing. That's the way of the collector car world. A friend of mine had a barn full of collector cars and the told me that one of his cars, an Essex, had dropped $11,000.00 in value simply because people who fondly remembered the car were dying off at a rapid pace and the car was not an item of interest anymore. The same will happen with the muscle cars once the baby boomers start to decline.

Save the Z by showing and educating the young 'uns the history and significance of the Z. It may be the only way to save the Z for the future.

BTW, I don't think he's going to get the price he's looking for.

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It's not #1, its just the only car painted that colour from the factory in 1970, as far as I can tell from quickly reading the description.

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Pity the guy that buys the car. Whatever he pays . . . in 10 years, the value will drop like a rock to next-to-nothing. That's the way of the collector car world. A friend of mine had a barn full of collector cars and the told me that one of his cars, an Essex, had dropped $11,000.00 in value simply because people who fondly remembered the car were dying off at a rapid pace and the car was not an item of interest anymore. The same will happen with the muscle cars once the baby boomers start to decline.

Save the Z by showing and educating the young 'uns the history and significance of the Z. It may be the only way to save the Z for the future.

BTW, I don't think he's going to get the price he's looking for.

Very good analysis, I think the Z is poised to become more collectible in part because there is a huge cadre of younger folks who worship the "ricer" Japanese cars, and they are discovering, or will discover the history of their vehicles and the ancestry of the Nissan Z.

That's my theory anyway.

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Pity the guy that buys the car. Whatever he pays . . . in 10 years, the value will drop like a rock to next-to-nothing. That's the way of the collector car world. A friend of mine had a barn full of collector cars and the told me that one of his cars, an Essex, had dropped $11,000.00 in value simply because people who fondly remembered the car were dying off at a rapid pace and the car was not an item of interest anymore. The same will happen with the muscle cars once the baby boomers start to decline.

Save the Z by showing and educating the young 'uns the history and significance of the Z. It may be the only way to save the Z for the future.

BTW, I don't think he's going to get the price he's looking for.

It will be a very long time before the Baby Boomers (born 1946-1964), the largest generation in the history of the USA, die off. The very oldest are just turning 60 this year and the youngest (like me) are still in their early-to-mid- forties. Besides, a lot of the Baby Boomers' kids LOVE muscle cars almost as much as their fathers do. :love: Muscle cars are exciting cars from a very exciting time period in America (1964-1970). As we all know, the 240Z is also an exciting car that came around the end of the muscle car era and I agree with Deadflo, are going to grow in popularity (and value).

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I, too am an end-of-the-boom Boomer, and while I love the classic muscle cars, I just can't see paying so much for them. Whereas the Z can still be had for a couple of thousand for a fixer-upper, a fixer-upper muscle car is going to cost way more. And finding all those missing muscle car parts that disappeared long ago will be like looking for hens' teeth.

Zs only came in 1 type and parts, though getting difficult, are still out there. A '65 Mustang came in 15 types, I believe, and I don't think there's a lot of HiPo 289 engines lying around inside someone's barn.

The only way I'll ever own a muscle car would be to get something that's not popular or "recognized" as a "true" muscle car - like a Buick GS 455 or a Dodge Dart 340 GT.

FWIW

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This isn't exactly any Oldsmobile, this is a 442 W-30. These things are super rare. It is rare beyond series 1 rare. If Nissan put out a special edition 240z with a 200hp+ turbo DOHC 6 cylinder, modified suspension and aluminum body then yes I think it would go for 200k. But Nissan never did that. I think Z prices will increase especially when people realize that they can get a beautiful classic sports car and good gas milage.

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Zs only came in 1 type and parts, though getting difficult, are still out there. A '65 Mustang came in 15 types, I believe, and I don't think there's a lot of HiPo 289 engines lying around inside someone's barn.

1 type?

Maybe the 'HLS30U' only came in 1 type ( and even that is not necessarily true ) but there were some rare homologation specials and limited editions for markets other than the USA, and these are the Z cars that are commanding the highest prices in the world market today.

These things are super rare. It is rare beyond series 1 rare. If Nissan put out a special edition 240z with a 200hp+ turbo DOHC 6 cylinder, modified suspension and aluminum body then yes I think it would go for 200k. But Nissan never did that.

Nissan did make some special models, and these are the ones that we can expect to sell for the highest prices now and in the future too. Perhaps you would like to look into the prices and availability of prime condition PS30s and HS30-Hs. The PS30-SB would probably be the model that is commanding the highest prices in the world at the moment out of all the S30-series Z cars. Only individually historic race cars would appear to be capable of topping that at the moment.

The 'HLS30U' model was made in comparatively huge numbers, so it is likely that only special-interest examples of the 'HLS30U' ( such as the lower VIN numbers ) will command the highest premiums in top condition. I don't think the 'HLS30U' is comparable to the W-30 Olds 442, as the sheer numbers of 'HLS30Us' made - and the number of them still 'alive' - is in a completely different league to a super-rare Muscle car.

Alan T.

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Hey I've got a 72 Olds Cutlass Supreme convertible in grade B condition. I'll sell it for 15K right now. PM me if you want pics. White with 2 year old black top, new exhaust, new suspension, new tires. Sport pack with dual side mirrors and floor shifter. Professionally built 350 Rocket, zero body rust.

It was my fathers and he died last year, I have no use for it at all.

Chris A.

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Chris,

I'm sorry to hear about your father's passing last year. I lost mine 14 years ago to cancer. The car sounds beautiful! If I were you, I would list it on Ebay, that way it gets the most exposure and the best price.

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1 type?

Maybe the 'HLS30U' only came in 1 type ( and even that is not necessarily true ) but there were some rare homologation specials and limited editions for markets other than the USA, and these are the Z cars that are commanding the highest prices in the world market today.

Alan T.

Speaking off the cuff again. Gomen. I was generalizing and not thinking about the world market, just the US market. I definately must start to think globally.

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Original Thread by lonetreesteve

Will #1 240Zs Be Worth This Much Someday?

I believe the original question was would an "American" 240Z in #1 condition ever be worth as much as the current bid on a "American" Olds 442 W-30 muscle car.

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I believe the original question was would an "American" 240Z in #1 condition ever be worth as much as the current bid on a "American" Olds 442 W-30 muscle car.

When you write "American"........ who exactly are you quoting? I don't see that question in this thread.

And what exactly is an "...."American 240Z"...."? LOL

Its a Japanese car - made in Japan.

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Originally Posted by moonpup

"American" 240Z

Originally Posted by HS30-H

And what exactly is an "...."American 240Z"...."?

Hey Alan, I didn't give you permission to move my quotation mark but I guess you had to in order to validate your reply.

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Ha ha ha ha ha....... :stupid:

Perhaps you'll teach me how I should quote you quoting a quote that hasn't actually been made in this thread? LOL

And I don't need to validate anything, my friend.

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I believe the original question was would an "American" 240Z in #1 condition ever be worth as much as the current bid on a "American" Olds 442 W-30 muscle car.

That wasn't the original question. Look at the title of the thread. I do, however, understand your meaning for "American" 240Z vs. "American 240Z".

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Will a 240z be worth this one day? Yes, but I have a feeling most of us won't see that day ... Years and Years from now when salt and time has done it's work there will be about 20 - 40 #1 240z cars in total, of them there will be about 15 or so low vin # ones. (Carl or some one else please feel free to correct me on numbers as I am estimating by what I have read through other posts, but don't have quite the time in the Z world as others).

By that time those 15 or so car WILL be worth good money, 100k + and a few the upper 100's. But I am thinking years ahead of now. While those of us who are Z nuts love our cars, the American Muscle cars have a much larger and broader appeal than the Z car. We also have to remeber, the Z car was one of the few desireable Japanese cars back in the day of the American Muscle car. I can't think of another Japanese car. (Of course I am 25 and wasn't even born).

For the longest time I wanted a 69' SS/RS Camaro and still would love one. I had the chance to get a 68' RS for 5,000 when I was 17 and I kinda which I did because that car would have been worth at least double what it what I paid. I can't say that for the 96' Sentra I bought. Of course my 'profit' I made would have gone away in the cost in gas ROFL .

So one day the Z car will demand a high dollar, but I don't see it happening for quite a while. The American Muscle car just has a much broader appeal and with that more check books which causes a higher demand. So our best bet is to start to 'create' a demand by bringing more people into the Z car game. The best way to do that is to get more 350z car owners to learn the heritage of thier Z car.

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Originally Posted by HS30-H

When you write "American"........ who exactly are you quoting? I don't see that question in this thread.

Originally Posted by sblake01

That wasn't the original question. Look at the title of the thread. I do, however, understand your meaning for "American" 240Z vs. "American 240Z".

Technically you and Alan are correct.

However, I did begin my statement with "I believe" which means/implies that what follows is my opinion. In addition, I also wrapped the original thread title to show what my statement referred to and I had thought that everyone would have recognized that my statement was a paraphrase of the original thread title.

Sorry to have confused some of y'all, I guess in the future when I paraphrase something, I will begin my statement with...I believe the intent of the original question was....!

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OMIGAWD,

Now we're having lessons in English/American punctuation. I won't stir Australian into the pot 'cause it might intice a Kiwi to join in ...... then we'd REALLY be confused.

Rick.

:devious: :devious:

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I don't think it is that far off that someone might bid over $200,000 for a prime example 240Z on eBay. All you have to do is set the reserve price at $225,000, have some of your buddies bid the price up over $200,000, and hope some fool believes your story about it being one of a kind because it has a special noxious green paint code XX73... But then again, your Z might go un-sold like this 442 Olds.

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