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What Zcars do you have? counting works in progress, but NOT parts cars!  

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  1. 1. What Zcars do you have? counting works in progress, but NOT parts cars!

    • 240Z Series one bone stock
    • 240Z Series two bone stock
    • 240Z customized
    • 260Z bone stock
    • 260Z customized
    • 280Z bone stock
    • 280Z customized
    • 280ZX bone stock
    • 280Z customized
    • 280ZX
    • 280ZXT
    • 300ZX(T) (Z31)
    • 300ZX (T, TT) Z32
    • 350Z
    • It aint a Z anymore!


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...bone stock 260z, but it is not quite "bone" stock, but I would definately not consider it modified...... I want it to appear stock for the most part, but with a few goodies :) .

This I think is the crux of this post.

At what point is your "restoration" actually a situation where you've replaced parts to "OPTIMIZE" your car according to your taste / knowledge. I use the new term OPTIMIZE to denote what you do even when you replace a bald set of tires for a new set, you are maintaining the car while "bettering" it's condition. I don't use improve, because a simple exchange of tires is not normally an improvement, but by putting tread where none was before, you've made the situation better. Now an improvement would be replacing the square top S.U.'s with round top, also replacing the stock tires/wheels with new wheels and high-end tires.

The key is that in the broadest sense of the term, Breat Bill's car is also a car that is being "optimized". i.e. he's working on getting it running and ....more.

Cause by the manner in which the definition is being applied, I also placed one each in Series I and II bone stock that will both be Customized for the purposes of the poll, but are more "optimized" than customized. i.e. I've replaced parts of both with later year parts, therefore rendering both vehicles as being custom. So move one each from the Series 240 to 240 Custom.

It should be noted that by changing the HCP to the 73 style (to gain illumination on the panel), swapping the dash with a 72 (no cracks) and upgrading the seats to the 72 (recline & tilt) I was not going for a kaleidoscope of a car but restoring that "stock" look. On the other car, simply changing the engine (with another year correct) will render it custom. Only a knowledgeable person of the marque would be able to pick these things out, but in this forum that's what we promote.

On that basis, I bring forth the term "Optimized", do I have a second?

E

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Mom,

What, the Koala Brothers are a serious problem in your neck of the woods ROFL ? It is easy to see how they could severely alter and echo system.

In this poll, just list your cars as what they are in your country relative to how it was first delivered to the Dealer for sale. Just group the 2+2s with the coupes, and post about the differences.

Carl,

I thought you were hermitting in the garage! Group any non series one S30 of the 240Z variety as a Series two and post you Pinto lover!

Enrique,

I meant for any changes other than replacing the consumables (those parts/fluids that are scheduled through time, mileage, or wear, for replacement either in the OEM manuals of by the part manufacturer) to go in the custom areas for this poll, I will add the optimized selection next go-round. I do see the difference.

Will

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At this point in time we are all becoming philo"z"ophers....

Sorry Will, your best intentions have exposed a serious flaw in how we all view our vehicles, as to "Optimized", good try, it might become a better way of describing these "bettered" cars, only time will tell [pun].

Perhaps we had better wait until that gent from over the other side of the pond has had his cuppa and crumpets & commented....! LOL

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One of the pictures on the following site came up through a Roadster Mail List, and when I was looking at it, I came up with this picture listing of the "Officiial" Nissan Historic Car Collection Photo Gallery.

The list does show several of the cars that were "omitted" from the poll, as pointed out by a couple members, but the most glaring difference is....no 260's! So now who do we believe?

http://www.autobytel-japan.com/special/nissan/z/index.cfm

Check it out!

Enrique

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I put mine as 240z Bone stock but it should have been 240z bone stock. oops! Nothing crazy has been done to it though. The only big differences that make it not BONE stock are the dual webers (PO) and front airdam (PO). Oh well.

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I put mine as 240z Bone stock but it should have been 240z bone stock. oops! Nothing crazy has been done to it though.....

Most of us are already confused enough without your throwing gas on the fire.....LOL

But your pronunciation of " ...B...one" versus "....b....one" leaves something to be desired, you lisped......ROFL

E

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The list does show several of the cars that were "omitted" from the poll, as pointed out by a couple members, but the most glaring difference is....no 260's! So now who do we believe?

http://www.autobytel-japan.com/special/nissan/z/index.cfm

Check it out!

Enrique

Enrique,

I don't think that even Nissan themselves would claim that the cars they happen to have in their collection at Zama form any kind of definitive 'list'.

Quite apart from what cars they have in their whole collection, certain cars from the Zama warehouse are often out on loan for display at dealerships and events all over Japan.

But if you didn't see a '260Z' in there I wouldn't be surprised anyway; Japan only got the 'RS30' for a couple of months at the very most before they were all recalled to the Factory to have their engines changed and their VIN prefixes restamped. They went from being 2600cc 'Fairlady 260' RS30 models to 2000cc 'Fairlady Z' S30 models - with the Nissan 'hamburger' silhouette stamped over the changes to the VIN numbers.

The problem was emissions-related. At that time, Japan had probably the most stringent new emissions regulations in the whole world. Nissan just couldn't get the '260Z' to comply, and recalled the lot. The whole thing was swept under the carpet - er, Tatami mat.

Japan never got any 'ZX' S130s either. They were all plain vanilla Zs, Z-Ls and Z-Ts.

Regarding this poll, I would say that focusing on ALL the different S30 / S31 models would make it long enough - even without all the S130-onwards stuff.

Alan T.

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Alan, I just want to see how many have more than one Z, and what they are,

I know Mike has a 240 and a 350, as does 350Z, Several members have more than one model of Z. I am after some parameters to place the S30 data in-I promise I won't invite anything but S30s to the party except on rare occasion, and then only when it clearly shows the superiority if the S30!

Will

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wow theres more customised 240z out there than std maybe we should change site name to customised zeds keep the got to keep it standard crew out

mick

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I think the customized numbers are high because of the strict no upgrade policy on bone stock!

Will

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With a 4 liter V8 that is probably where it belongs!

Will

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its a 4.4 ltr nissan v8 but thanks for telling me where it should be

so i take it a zed is beautiful from every angle till u change the engine then its just a plain ugly duck

mick

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Yeah, I'm in the same boat as HS30H, adding my RHD vehicles to the poll adds three more vehicles to my count!

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I think the customized numbers are high because of the strict no upgrade policy on bone stock!

Should I move my car from the stock class to the modified class then? You don't have to answer. It is a rhetorical question. I highly doubt that everyone that voted in the bone stock class have by the definition "bone" stock cars. I am not saying that just about the new tires, batteries, oil filter, etc. I am saying that all of them are probably not all completely stock cars.

Mick, your car looks really nice and clean. I love the red, the wheels, and the fact that you have a NISSAN V8 is just cool. Are there quite a few Z's with the 4.4.Ltr nissan V8?

-Ben

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[quote name=so i take it a zed is beautiful from every angle till u change the engine then its just a plain ugly duck

mick

Now, I never said or would say that! The only things that can make a Z ugly are owners who over or poorly do bodywork, or have no concept of safety or a finished look

There was a yellow 280ZX that looked like it had a Catipillar snow plow for a front end-Huge airdam-the car was made to look ugly because of the overdone bodywork. (I could not find the link)

There is a 240Z running around the low country that has huge unpainted flairs haphazzardly and visably siliconed on, thin wheels with massive spacers to move them out to the flares, an open exhaust, and a really glossy paintjob-right over dents, dings and rust, that is ugly! (I cary a camera in the car to catch a picture if I see it again-we need a poster child for what not to do to a S30)

Even a body mod that doesn't do it for me(the ZG flares) can be done well, and look good.

I personally like the look of an completed and well executed RB, V8, in a Z-but I must admit, the L6 looks pretty fine in one too! In my 240Z, I would prefer to have Nissan parts when I upgrade using non-S30 parts!

Will

PS, sorry for the missing 10%!

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V12Horse,

When you really get down to it, a bone stock original could not be driven on the street, it would have to be a garage/trailer queen-Nissan has never supplied a license tag that was approved by any government as standard equipment from the factory.

Will

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I highly doubt that everyone that voted in the bone stock class have by the definition "bone" stock cars. I am not saying that just about the new tires, batteries, oil filter, etc. I am saying that all of them are probably not all completely stock cars.

-Ben

For "modifications" sake. My 240Z IS bone stock. For example a modified battery would be like the Optima Red Top Gel Battery but my Z has what is considered to be a stock plain old black Nissan battery. The oil filter is a Nissan (with Japanese writing :classic: ) rather than a K&N or Fram. Tires are what would have been simular to 1972 standard issue. I classed my 240Z as "bone stock" because it has been restored as close as possible to plain ol' stock with what equipment PierreZ's could install. Notice I didn't say the "F" word so as not to offend anyone :cheeky:

Vicky

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Well I have the z as seen in my gallery and in my avitar to the left but I now have another `71 240 that is being made into a F prepared car. I am building it with a friend. We are boring the block (L28) 40 over and using an E31 head, ported and polished, larger valves and a stage 4 cam (.495-290) and 45mm Mikuni's. The car will require race fuel as the compression ratio should be around 14:1. There will be a roll cage that ties to the strut towers through the fire wall, into the trans tunnel, ect. It will have flares and 16x10 wheels with Goodyear 23.5x10.5x16 R250 tires. I have 5 diffs in the garage right now and will run the ratio that is most appropriate for the race we are running (4:38, 4:11, 3:90, 3:70, 3:54). When the car is finished it should be right around the minimun weight of 2100 LBS. I am very exicited about this project; however, it has just started and will be around 2 years to complete (money).

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Vicky

Be careful! A picky person (for lack of a better term) could ask you to point out any S30 that arrived at a dealer within a year of its mfr date with this!

But I won't!

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Ah yes Will, I forgot that darn plate, ruins the whole car. I guess I better check modified LOL . Speaking of that plate (not wanting to hijack the thread either) I wonder why Nissan used the 350Z "Z" design rather than the original "Z" on those. The 350Z would not be out for another 7 years.

Vicky

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Easy answer, the 240Z Z designer no longer worked for Nissan-he retired! The 350Z was in the works-it was an "Oh, by the way, we need this by tomorrow" thing. The designer had never seen a 240Z emblem...

Actually it was probably to tie the old and the new together for the advertising campaign.

Will

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The 350Z was in the works-it was an "Oh, by the way, we need this by tomorrow" thing. The designer had never seen a 240Z emblem....

Will

Along with not ever seeing the 240Z emblem, I believe the designer of the 350Z never saw a 240Z :tapemouth ROFL

Vicky

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