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These would not be a simple bolt on application for your Z. They are getting harder to find also, I too would love a pair for my 240.

Nate

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you would need to adapt the existing 240 bumper mounts to your car.... might take a little doing. also, the "european" bumpers are available from VB NEW for 399.95 (part no. 99-022)

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Adam,

Of course you can put 240Z bumpers on a 280Z. Hell...people are putting V8 engines in these cars! It is going to take some work. The mounts change and you are going to have to adapt your body shell a bit. You will probably have issues with the front valance panels and the rear fenders do not have the indentations, do they? Do keep in mind that the 240Z style bumper is NOT going to protect the car from any sort of contact. Not only will the bumper fold up, but it will take your body shell with it because the ends bolt to the sheet metal. This situation may have insurance consequences. So I always comment to someone considering such a move that they should understand that hitting things with your car is against the rules.

Now, there is nothing "Euro" about the bumpers you are describing. This "Euro" term must be a crossover from the BMW and Porsche guys or something and I usually consider its meaning as "aftermarket" in these discussions. The solid chrome bumpers you describe are most likely replicas that have not been drilled for the rubber strips. I have a front one and it is identical to the authentic one - just no holes. Use chrome head carriage bolts to attach them to the brackets. I'll also add that the solid bumpers painted charcoal to match the grill and tail light valance is a real good look.

Have fun.

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Another option could be to weld up the holes on a standard 240Z bumper and have it re-chromed. I watch way too much Overhaulin' :devious:

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Do the european bumpers offer as little protection as the 240 bumperes do? Has anyone found a modification that offers protection and is less bulky than the 280 bumps?

also, i just moved from chicago to LA so my tool selection and work area is now minimal at best. welding is certainly not an option. i'm sure i could find someone to do it for me though...

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For a little more protection, but not as much bulk as the 280z bumpers you could swap early 260z bumpers onto your car. They will be a lot easier to find and less pricey than the super smooth chrome 240z bumpers. Personally, I like the 240z bumpers with the rubber, but without the overriders.

Ben

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Now, there is nothing "Euro" about the bumpers you are describing. This "Euro" term must be a crossover from the BMW and Porsche guys or something and I usually consider its meaning as "aftermarket" in these discussions. The solid chrome bumpers you describe are most likely replicas that have not been drilled for the rubber strips.

I was under the distinct impression that European models did indeed not come with the rubber strips and hence no holes for them. Unlike other "Euro" parts like taillights the bumpers without the holes drilled actually cost less from VB. I wasn't even aware that there were aftermarket bumpers.

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I was under the distinct impression that European models did indeed not come with the rubber strips and hence no holes for them.

No Mike, all of the first-gen European market models did have the rubber bumper trim.

The smooth non-rubbered bumpers were first seen on the no frills base-level 'Fairlady Z' ( S30-S ) and lightweight 'Fairlady Z432-R' ( PS30-SB ) models at launch in October 1969.

I agree with 26th-Z's thoughts that this might be a crossover from the USA-speak surrounding marques such as Porsche and VW. Sometimes the "European" market spec parts were seen as 'cool' or at least different enough to be of interest.

Ironic that the "European" bumpers were not actually used on European models........

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Another option would be to use MSA's Body kit #50-1504. Or you can get there fiberglass bumpers 50-1751.

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No Mike, all of the first-gen European market models did have the rubber bumper trim.

The smooth non-rubbered bumpers were first seen on the no frills base-level 'Fairlady Z' ( S30-S ) and lightweight 'Fairlady Z432-R' ( PS30-SB ) models at launch in October 1969.

Thanks for the correction. Are there other bumper differences to be aware of between markets - perhaps related to the inclusion of the vertical bumper guards? Were the aftermarket bumper "overriders" unique to the U.S.?

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Are there other bumper differences to be aware of between markets - perhaps related to the inclusion of the vertical bumper guards? Were the aftermarket bumper "overriders" unique to the U.S.?

I see the vertical bumper guards ( we call them "Over riders" over here ) quoted as "Option" parts in all the Nissan parts lists and brochures that I have. They cover the Japanese market, Europe ( inc. UK ) and Australia.

However, in practice I think the non-USA / Canada Export market cars were not 100% consistent in their specs with regard to details such as these. Some dealers seemed to be aware of the dealer 'Option' parts, and some did not. You can imagine that this - combined with other factors - probably led to customers not knowing what they could have had.....

I've never seen the USA-style aftermarket 'towel rail' bumper additions in any other market.

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I've never seen the USA-style aftermarket 'towel rail' bumper additions in any other market.

That's a very appropriate name. I've got both sitting in my garage and was planning on throwing them out but now I've got a new idea ...

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The smooth non-rubbered bumpers were first seen on the no frills base-level 'Fairlady Z' ( S30-S ) and lightweight 'Fairlady Z432-R' ( PS30-SB ) models at launch in October 1969. .....

Alan,

The Neko Publishing "Fairlady - I" shows the S30 as well as the S30-S without rubbers. I didn't think the 432-R had bumpers! But isn't this a 432-R?

So...should we refer to the solid chrome bumpers as 432-R bumpers? LOL

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The Neko Publishing "Fairlady - I" shows the S30 as well as the S30-S without rubbers.

Ah, you mean S30-00769 for the S30 pics?

I think that's a case of owner preference, and the car isn't as it would have left the Factory.

As far as non-rubbered bumpers go, Nissan's intended spec for the models released in October 1969 was that only the S30-S and PS30-SB had them. What the owners subsequently fitted was their own business........

I didn't think the 432-R had bumpers! But isn't this a 432-R?

So...should we refer to the solid chrome bumpers as 432-R bumpers? LOL

Sure it had bumpers. It was an official production model intended for limited sale to the General Public specifically to aid homologation of race cars and race parts. It had to have bumpers. They took them off of the race cars...

You can call them 432-R bumpers if you want, but its probably more truthful to call them S30-S bumpers. At least it would be good accompaniment to the "432" mesh grilles which are exactly the same as the mesh grilles on other models...... :ermm:

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Ed,

Yeah, I have the front air damn with the integrated fiberglass bumper. It was on the car when I bought it. Something I'm doing, after a low-speed rear-ender broke my air dam, is bolting some steel tubing behind the fiberglass bumper portion. Oh yeah, I fixed the broken fiberglass part too.

Jason

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hello all,

first off, i wanna say this a great site! i just discovered it! i am in the process of restoring my 75' 280z and i want to convert the front bumper to a 240z bumper. my only problem is i cant find any!!! i was bidding on one on ebay, but lost. it was the only bumper ive seen on there in a while. anywho, someone listed a place you can find them new for 399$? is it possible to give me a link, or a phone#? it would be a great help!

also, are there any folks here from WA? i want to race when i am done, and i need help to get set up in the SCCA or whatever local racing is done. thanks!!! :D

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^^welcome to the site, marximus. as for your bumper, look in the classifieds... as i remember, one of our members was selling a set of '72 240z bumpers

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