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Hello everyone,

I apologize if this is in the wrong thread, as the subject is not limited to S30s, but I figured I'd give it a shot.

I am in the process of restoring my 1970-71 CA Blue License Plate for my Z, and would love to hear if anyone had experience with it?

The biggest problem I am facing now is finding a matching color right out of a can. Has anyone had any luck with finding a color that matches the blue and yellow on these plates? I went to a paint shop to try and get a mixture once, and the employees proceeded to tell me that I would get a ticket for it :stupid: I am leaning towards spray paint just because it results in a smoother texture, opposed to if I were to use a brush.

Once again, I apologize if this is in the wrong thread. But I've searched over and over for the paint codes with no luck. I know I can buy replicas, but what I really want to do is just repaint the existing ones I have.

This is a plate for reference (not mine):

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Any help would be greatly appreciated :beer:
'72 Fairlady 240Z-L - HS30-10052, Imported in 1973 from Yokota Airbase
'70 240Z - HLS30-19927, History in SCCA CP & Trans-Am, ICSCC CIP, IMSA GTU
'77 Porsche 930 Turbo Carrera - Black on black
'13 Subaru BRZ Limited - Daily Driver

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It is true that most states have administrative rules that prohibit repainted plates. But done well, no one will know.

I've always thought that the blue of the California plates was very similar to the blue used on Oregon plates through '73.

http://www.classiczc...=1&d=1269366946

If so, this site may be able to help with the blue. The yellow on the CA plates appears to be a bit more "orangy" than the Oregon yellow, though.

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Thanks Arne,

You are right; the blue in the Oregon plate looks almost identical to the CA Blue Plate. I will try and get in contact with them, too bad their site says they specialize "ONLY IN OREGON PLATES."

On the side, is that your car? (thrown off by the missing bumper) What paint did you use for your tail light panel/license plate light? Looks like a dark "grey, not-quite-black" I'm looking for haha.

Thank you!
'72 Fairlady 240Z-L - HS30-10052, Imported in 1973 from Yokota Airbase
'70 240Z - HLS30-19927, History in SCCA CP & Trans-Am, ICSCC CIP, IMSA GTU
'77 Porsche 930 Turbo Carrera - Black on black
'13 Subaru BRZ Limited - Daily Driver

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This website may be of interest to you. Of course, it's not DIY.
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On the side, is that your car? (thrown off by the missing bumper) What paint did you use for your tail light panel/license plate light? Looks like a dark "grey, not-quite-black" I'm looking for haha.

That shot was taken during the reassembly process after the paint job. Was the best picture of the plates I could come up with on short notice.

The tail panel paint I used was from Les Canaday at http://classicdatsun.com/
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This website may be of interest to you. Of course, it's not DIY.



I just sent him an e-mail to get a quote, may be worth it paying his price =)

hat shot was taken during the reassembly process after the paint job. Was the best picture of the plates I could come up with on short notice.

The tail panel paint I used was from Les Canaday at http://classicdatsun.com/


Beautiful paint job!
'72 Fairlady 240Z-L - HS30-10052, Imported in 1973 from Yokota Airbase
'70 240Z - HLS30-19927, History in SCCA CP & Trans-Am, ICSCC CIP, IMSA GTU
'77 Porsche 930 Turbo Carrera - Black on black
'13 Subaru BRZ Limited - Daily Driver

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Oops, I just read the FAQ on Tag Dr. They don't do reflectorized paint. I think California Blue is reflectorized, isn't it?
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SteveJ,

I am not sure, but there is a few pictures of blue/yellow CA plates they restored on their site. So I am assuming it is okay?
'72 Fairlady 240Z-L - HS30-10052, Imported in 1973 from Yokota Airbase
'70 240Z - HLS30-19927, History in SCCA CP & Trans-Am, ICSCC CIP, IMSA GTU
'77 Porsche 930 Turbo Carrera - Black on black
'13 Subaru BRZ Limited - Daily Driver

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I seem to recall from something I read 20 or 30 years ago in the LA Times Auto section that it was possibly the numbers on the plates that reflected. The police would look for a lack of reflection as possible evidence of altered plates. If my memory is right, then the article advised against touching up the license plates.

Of course, you could go by the adage, "It's not illegal if you don't get caught."
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I tend to agree with SteveJ, especially if you are using the car as a classic and not a daily. Most cops would give you a pass as long as your intention was to keep the car original.

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I don't think the blue plates are reflectorized, not even the yellow. I think that started in CA with the white plates.
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Yea, I don't think they are. But either way, still hoping someone has done this before.

I got a quote from Rod at tagdr.com, his quote is $190 for two plates, $10 for return shipping. So around $200, and an extra $45 with rush service (for both plates).

I may go this route...
'72 Fairlady 240Z-L - HS30-10052, Imported in 1973 from Yokota Airbase
'70 240Z - HLS30-19927, History in SCCA CP & Trans-Am, ICSCC CIP, IMSA GTU
'77 Porsche 930 Turbo Carrera - Black on black
'13 Subaru BRZ Limited - Daily Driver

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I had a chance to do some research after I got home, and that research says Arne is right about the blue & yellow not reflecting.
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I am missing some context here. Is it legal in California to use old license plates on a car? Here the plates themselves change every few years and they will ticket you for using an original plate, even with an updated registration.

The classic car guys I run into at car shows have to change plates once they get to the show, and put the "real" plate back on before they can drive it home.
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In CA, the plate stays with car "forever" (As long as registered in CA). If the car is sold out of state the CA seller keeps the plates (but I don't think they can be re-registered to another vehicle). CA "blake plate cars" show that they were registered in CA during the time black plates were issued (1960's). The early blue plate cars (six characters starting with three alpha characters) show that they were registered in CA in the late 60's and early 70's. This is my understanding, please correct me if I'm wrong.

My early blue plates (six character) neither the blue or the yellow numbering are reflective (at least that I can tell in a dark room, did check with a flashlight).

Would like to hear what anyone finds out about restoring these early CA blue plates as mine are pretty faded, though have not tried to polish them out. I would think any deviance in the colors (especially when newly bright and shiny) from a standard CA plate color would stand out to CHP who look at these all day long. Sure Ponch would expect and early blue plate to be a little faded anyway. And the Oregon colors don't look right to me, but I can't tell navy blue socks from black either...

Edited by dclamm, 23 March 2010 - 05:19 PM.

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1966 Ford Bronco Halfcab - first year U14 Bronco

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Here's the rule, according to California DMV:

http://www.dmv.ca.go...03/vc5004_1.htm

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The rules are different out West, although they vary some from state to state. But in general, plates are issued once and can be used as long as they continue to be registered on the car, with only new stickers (tags) applied. Replacement plates are not routinely issued. So the presence of current year-of-issue plates on a CA car indicates unbroken registration within the state of California.

Here in Oregon the laws are a bit looser, the presence of year-appropriate plates is not an indication of unbroken chain of residence. But year-appropriate plates can be legally registered and used on cars in one of two or three methods here.
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How about this for a second opinion:

1. Reregister the car with common garden variety antique car plates.

2. Go to Lowe's and get two sets of four of their magnets which are
the size and shape of a domino (and are very powerful).

3. Install your repainted license plates in the customary manner.

4. Use one set of four magnets to hold the antique car license plate
onto the front license plate, and a second set of four for the rear.

5. Use the antique car license plates when driving the vehicle, then
remove both them and the magnets to display the repainted plates
when you have arrived at your car show, cruise-in, Z-club meeting,
or whatever.

Possible conflict: I don't know whether you have to turn in the old
plates when obtaining antique plates. Also, I don't know whether CA
is a "title state" where the same plates stay with the car for its life.

FWIW, ~Rick~
1969 Z.CAR (#00013 10/69) since 8/30/76 :love:
1969 ITSA.Z (#00171 11/69) since 8/24/73 28K mi
1970 (#01905 2/70) since 1/24/11
1970 (#06289 6/70) original owner
1971 (#19851 1/71) sold :cry::stupid:
1975 280Z (#01343 1/75) mint original
1971 PL-510 2dr (our 160Z) since 12/31/75
1969 1600 Rdstr (another 160-Z) since 10/3/10

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So I guess there's no one that has restored these plates :( I'll maybe use this tagdr.com guy and report back the results. Anyone with experience painting blue/yellow plates please speak up!!

Edited by spitz17, 23 March 2010 - 08:41 PM.

'72 Fairlady 240Z-L - HS30-10052, Imported in 1973 from Yokota Airbase
'70 240Z - HLS30-19927, History in SCCA CP & Trans-Am, ICSCC CIP, IMSA GTU
'77 Porsche 930 Turbo Carrera - Black on black
'13 Subaru BRZ Limited - Daily Driver

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The rule in California that any car 1969 and before can have a registered "same-year" plate. They call this the "year of manufacture" program. Cars are title in CA, plates stay with the vehicle until it is no longer in service.
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'70 240Z - HLS30-19927, History in SCCA CP & Trans-Am, ICSCC CIP, IMSA GTU
'77 Porsche 930 Turbo Carrera - Black on black
'13 Subaru BRZ Limited - Daily Driver




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