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Here is a loaded question! Has anybody got any experience getting a title from a bill of sale? Here in Georgia if a car has been registered with a bill of sale, the next owner in Georia cannot get a Gerogia title. The '72 I have bought has a bill of sale. I want a title. It appears that I must transfer the car (paperwork) to a state that will issue a Title, and then transfer it back. I have heard that Hemmings Motor News has ads from Alabamians that routinely do this sort of thing-I am not sure if this is used as a means of "Washing" a salvage title away or not.
This '72 has never been hit, the numbers match, and other than Tripple Webbers, wheels, and paint, is all original hardware.
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Im going thro the same thang with my 71. But i dont evan have a bill of sell the car wasgiven to me.Here in Arkansas if a car has been sitting longer than 5 years and no body else has tried to get the title you can get a bonded title.(atleast ive heard that from the DMV)

Im still in the paper work so to speak. So im not sure yet what is envalved.
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Originally posted by hls30.com
The '72 I have bought has a bill of sale. I want a title.



I went through a bit of a hassle to get the title for my car only to find out later that you don't even need a title for older cars:

http://www.dmvs.ga.g...es/required.asp
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Mike,
I know the State of Ga does not require a Title for a car this old. I just want to have a clear title before I put all of this time and effort into this car. If it is stolen, or claimed to be owned by someone else, having a legitimate state-registered certificate of title will make it easier to prove and defend my ownership, as well as limit the envolvement of the other people in the chain of bill of sale transfers.
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Originally posted by MikeW
I went through a bit of a hassle to get the title for my car only to find out later that you don't even need a title for older cars:

http://www.dmvs.ga.g...es/required.asp



Maybe so but what if he ever wants to sell the car to someone who lives in another state? Not that any of us would EVER sell our Z.
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Most States print that a title is required for registering a car from a diferent state, but when it comes to standing in line at the DMV, a clear and leagal bill of sale will get the job done. In some states, a new legal title will be issued after a verification that the car was not listed as stolen.

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Your registration might be your title. New York registration has either "transferable" or "nontransferable" printed on it. The "transferable" type is the title. They then allow you to have a photocopy of the registration in your vehicle, as the original *is* the title, and signing the back of it constitutes transfer of the vehicle's ownership.

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I HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM

I bought a car out of Georgia without a tittle since in Georgia old cars don't need them

MY PROBLEM. Is I live in Florida. The car has been sitting 4 years now, runs looks good needs some help. I would love to have it as a daily driver. In lack of knowledge of getting a Florida title I'm being forced to part it out.

P. S- In Florida ownership of and automobile is based on a correct state title. If no title for the car it's a parts car and can only be sold as a parts car. Pretty sad......

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If a title is desired, and paperwork is the problem, then here is something that someone I know did.

Buy the cheapest rusty piece of junk Z (the actual car was a Vette) of the correct year/model ($200 should do it for a Z). Take the tag off the dash, door jam, engine compartment, etc. Pull the engine and transmission. Remove the liscence plates. Cut the car into pieces and call the metal scrap dealer to take away. Nobody else will ever have those numbers again.

Put all the pieces (you were going to rebuild an engine someday anyway, right?) into your clean car. Take the title and old plates to the DMV and get new plates/ registration/ state title.

It's not my recomendation, but only an annecdote of what lenghts some go to get a clean title.
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I think I would suggest a lawyer. You will pay for it, but you should get the right answer the first time.

Of course, you could call your DMV and ask them what you can do with your car...
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Changing out a VIN can mean Jail time-not something I am willing to risk! I don't mind working a loophole as long as it is legal-moving the car(paperwork) between states is.


I emailed the Ga. DMV, here is their reply:

"Dear Sir:
A title will not be issued for a 1963-1985 year model vehicle if the vehicle has been registered in someone else's name(s) other than the owner(s) shown on the Georgia title record. Therefore, if the previous owner do not obtained a title, you are unable to obtain title also.
Thank you,
DMVS"
A Bonded title company said "caint be done without registering the car outside of Georgia, a Laywer will charge you $100, and spend an hour to find that out-but leave off everything after 'it caint be done'."

Now, I know legally I can "sell" the car to someone in another state, one which will issue a title based on a bill of sale from Georgia, pay for registration in that state, and buy the car back to transfer the car(with a title) back into Georgia, and apply for and obtain a Georgia Title based on the title brought with the car from the other state. I was just wondering if any of you had been down this road. There is nothing illegal about that set of transactions-they are just somewhat complicated and time intensive.

Brandon, when I get to the bottom of this, I will pass along the info-don't part out that car just yet-unless it has something I need
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Although I would prefer a title also you may be making things hard on yourself. You can't be the only one that ever wanted to sell an old car from Ga. If it 's legal where you are then you're good. Remember that state to state flip will most likely include some sort of tax at each state. You may not like it but as long as Ga. does that may be the best you could hope for.

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Originally posted by Daniel
Although I would prefer a title also you may be making things hard on yourself. You can't be the only one that ever wanted to sell an old car from Ga. If it 's legal where you are then you're good. Remember that state to state flip will most likely include some sort of tax at each state. You may not like it but as long as Ga. does that may be the best you could hope for.



Tax yes but consider this...what it the sale price was only $1...how much tax are we talking about?
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TexasZ, you make me proud to have been born in Texas-College Station! Every Bill of Sale I have ever written-and there have been many-have the words "One Dollar and other valuable consideration" on the purchase price line!

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VA won't allow you to "sell" a car for a dollar, guess they got tired of not getting their little bit of sales tax, or at least that's the way it used to be.:ermm:

Will, I may be buying a GA car without a title, let's hope that VA will let me get one with just a bill of sale. We can't sell a car without a title, no matter how old it is, it's gotta have a title.
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2ManyZs that is strange, I sold a 1983 280ZX 2+2 last year to a man in Virginia using a bill of sale, and I know for a fact he got a Virginia title for the car!

I'll try to get ahold of him, find out what he did, and let you know.

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What I meant was, a car sold in VA must have a title to be sold or re-registered, I've never tried to get one with just a bill of sale so I don't know if they will give me any grief or not. Hope not, but then, it isn't really important anyways since the car won't be driven on the street anyways.:cheeky:
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So did anyone ever figure out what to do? I'm in the same situation as y'all. I'm buying a 1973 240Z from a guy in North Carolina. The car doesn't have a title, which, as far as I know, is required for registration and a tag. I live in Georgia and plan to drive this daily, and am totally unsure of what to do.

A friend of mine, who's father is a lawyer, bought a 1975 Porsche 914 without a title. Instead, he used a Bill of Sale for registration and a tag, if I remember correctly. Does anyone know if the DMV will accept a Bill of Sale for registration, a tag, and obtaining a title?

I'm not surprised that a government "service" is so confusing. My father is supposed to have talked to the people at the DMV today, so I will know later tonight. I'll post whatever I know at the first chance I get.

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Jason,
A bill of sale is all the Georgia DMV requires on a cat that old. You will be legal and fine with that.
I just wanted a title for mine in addition to being legal!
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Will,

Thanks for the info! This morning, my dad told me pretty much the same thing, and that a title isn't required. I just can't sell the car....not that I ever will. 4 days until I finally get my Z. YEAH! :classic:

Jason




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