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11 hours ago, pazt2prezent said:

The term "clone" refers not to the fact that it was somehow made into a Skyline from something else, but the fact that despite having all of the GT-R parts/modifications which you could purchase from Nissan back in the day to make any trim level (in this case a "luxury" GT-X) look exactly like a GT-R on the outside, that there's no original S20 under the hood...in this case a more powerful swap appropriate for the car culture of the time. Unless you spotted differences on interior trim and seats, you'd have no idea what drove by you (quickly). I'm a purist, so mine wears a GT-"KAI" badge (hard to see in the picture), with KAI being the KANJI for "modified."  The round emblem is from Nissan's Sport Corner, the birthplace/predecessor of NISMO.

How does any of the above make the term "HAKO clone" appropriate? It's a misnomer when applied to any C10-series Skyline, because ALL C10-series Skylines are - by definition - 'Hakosuka' Skylines.

Your "more powerful swap appropriate for the car culture of the time" raised a smile here. What "time" are we talking about? Nobody was putting modified L28 engines into C10-series Skylines whilst they were still in production. That's a phenomenon that didn't really get going until the late 1970s, and even then sparsely and in semi-legal street car culture - not racing. Most cars like yours are fairly recent confections which - let's be honest here - bask in the reflected glory of what the GT-R models achieved and signified in period (ie, when they were still in production), and are based on - again, let's be honest about it - models with no real sporting heritage of their own.

Calling yourself a "purist" in the same sentence where you explain your 'GT-Kai' emblem is deliciously ironic. Those 'GT-Kai' emblems are another recent phenomenon, produced in response to exactly the kind of gentle correction I made when I pointed out that the term "HAKO clone" makes no logical sense. GT-R owners have been ribbing the owners of wannabes and lookalikes for years, telling them to take the GT-R emblems off their dolled-up shopping cars. The 'GT-Kai' emblems are an in-joke that goes way over the heads of many. I've even seen a magazine article written by a journalist who believed the 'GT-Kai' was a legitimate factory variant. I can't help thinking that any self-respecting "purist" would balk at the idea of a GT-X having its surflines cut off to become another GT-R lookalike, but there you go...  

There's some irony in your car wearing a 'Sport Corner' badge too. See that big 'R' in the middle of it? It represents the GT-R models which the Nissan Prince Tokyo Sport Corner dealership specialised in selling and servicing. Your car - being a lesser model - would have been sold in an ordinary dealership, and if you had taken it to Nissan Prince Tokyo Sport Corner for servicing they would have told you to take it elsewhere. Politely, I'm sure. Meanwhile, back here in 2018, there are owners of cars which were sold and serviced by Sport Corner dealers in period who are taking their Sport Corner stickers off of their cars, because too many of the wannabe cars are wearing them. There's a nice in-joke variant - produced recently - with a big letter 'L' in the middle. It might suit your car.

While I'm at it, let's get the heritage of NISMO correct shall we? What became NISMO in 1984 was previously two distinct branches of Nissan's motorsport-related activities - essentially the artists formerly known as Prince (based at Murayama) and Nissan's own Works outfit (based at Oppama). The Omori, Tokyo base of the newly-named NISMO was previously known as 'Nissan Omori Works' and was nothing to do with the main Nissan Prince Tokyo 'Sport Corner' dealership. They were two quite distinct entities and existed, until quite recently, in parallel. Nissan Prince Tokyo didn't beget NISMO. 

My KPGC10 was rebuilt by an ex Nissan Prince Tokyo Sport Corner staff member, so I know a little bit about the subject.

     

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6 minutes ago, 87mj said:

Well this post got a little weird.  Stick to what's right?  Maybe we need to remember we are dealing with classic cars and not what to do with a nuclear North Korea?  :) 

This is a specialist forum. Those sailing blithely into such waters might be well advised to pay attention to the charts. 'Here be Monsters'.

  "...and to truly clarify further for those whose only reference for these particular cars is Wikipedia..." was perhaps - in retrospect - a little unwise, don't you think?

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Wow. That is a nice array of cars you have. Grats.

Im a 280Z owner so I don't get hung up on on all these issues.

I have being told my car doesn't count because its not a "real" S30 ...... After excepting that as their opinion, I just get on with enjoying it. That is why I bought it in the first place.

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WOW! We're REALLY down a wormhole here...I thought forums were about celebrating our mutual love for the cars we drive. I've lost track of your posts, but thank you at  least for helping to clarify the definition of a HAKOSUKA "clone."

Mine: The term "clone" refers not to the fact that it was somehow made into a Skyline from something else, but the fact that despite having all of the GT-R parts/modifications which you could purchase from Nissan back in the day to make any trim level (in this case a "luxury" GT-X) look exactly like a GT-R on the outside.

Yours: "If it's a "clone" (actually, merely a lookalike despite your exhortations...) of anything then it's a clone of a KPGC10 GT-R."

You said the exact same thing, just with more pomp and circumstance. Anyone else who's actually following this now absurd thread that started with me simply looking for a series 1 Z  (which I happily found) can Google "HAKOSUKA clone for sale" and see exactly what we're both talking about. 

As for the degeneration of the rest of your posts, from "your 'Hako' appears to be a (very nice!) GT-R lookalike" to your diatribe about why I'm not a purist, etc., I'll take the high road and end the discussion about anybody's personal knowledge, cars, etc, here.

What I've always liked most about driving and collecting Datsuns and Nissans is the people I've made personal connections with along the way. So my early experiment with internet posts/forums just proves to me why I've stayed away from them in the first place. Great if you're looking for that rare OEM part, not so much for having friendly conversations. If you weren't across the pond and we met face to face at a car meet, we would have probably shared a cup of tea and swapped stories about the history of our cars with mutual respect...I'm glad you like the PAO, but at the end of the day, couldn't care less about your opinion of my cars. So don't worry about any insults, none taken...

I've only been able to spend this much time posting as I'm at home recovering from a thumb surgery...so I'm over and out. Thanks to those of you who were welcoming. HS30-H, I wish you all the best admiring your own collection (no pictures necessary); I'm going to get back to driving mine with my boys as soon as my hand is working again ;) 

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Well I sure hope that you are not over and out, but the above exchange unfortunately reinforces why you've stayed away to date.  Sad.   :(

Ever read the joke about how many forum members does it take to change a light bulb?

Come to Zcon Atlanta in late summer. It's not that far from you and I'd be happy to share tea and stories. I suspect my stories are much less interesting though. They usually involve something stupid I did...

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This is a specialist forum. Those sailing blithely into such waters might be well advised to pay attention to the charts. 'Here be Monsters'.
  "...and to truly clarify further for those whose only reference for these particular cars is Wikipedia..." was perhaps - in retrospect - a little unwise, don't you think?

What are you saying? Am I not welcome here because I’m only a 30 year Z owner driver and part time mechanic??!!!!!!


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1 hour ago, 7tooZ said:


What are you saying? Am I not welcome here because I’m only a 30 year Z owner driver and part time mechanic??!!!!!!
 

Of course you're welcome.  Just heed his warning that "Here be Monsters" and be sure to always check under the bed and keep your lights on at night.  Thin skinned be warned!

Dennis

 

 

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On 1/28/2018 at 1:21 PM, pazt2prezent said:

I am looking for a stock survivor/restoration series 1 240Z with matching #'s, preferably grade 4 or 5, to add to my collection of Datsuns/Nissans that ranges from a 67.5 2000 Roadster to modern NISMOs.  It's a missing piece in the garage. Documentation is a must and I am willing to pay for quality. I am not looking for a project car, rather one that presents as it should for grade and drives just as well. I live in Florida, but have a network of enthusiast friends/collectors across the country who can inspect/test drive on my behalf and can travel for the right car. I know it is difficult to part with these cars, but I can ensure it would be going to a good home where it will be loved by myself, sons, and generations to come. Respectfully...

 

Back on topic - Hagerty uses 1,2,3,4 with #1 being the best.  What would a grade 4 or 5 be?

https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/1971-datsun-240z

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