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    Default 70-74.5 or 74.5-xxx

    i have just purchased a 74 260z and would like to replace the suspension.

    when attempting to order parts i see that there are 2 different parts for 70-74.5 and 74.5 up

    how convenient...

    anyone know how to tell the difference? vin number range or something?


    thanks in advance
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    Easiest is the bumpers. 74.5+ have big, impact bumpers (like a 280Z) with black rubber accordions on the sides.
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    Date stamped on driver door jamb .

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    would the accordians be on front and rear, or just rear?
    mine is missing rear bumper(and mounts)

    arne; do you know the date cuttoff for pre and post change?

    -Dr.

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    8/73-8/74 was considered 'early' (74) and 9/74-11/74 was considered 'late' (74.5). Going by the VIN, RLS30000001-RLS30060000 is 74 and RLS30060001-RLS30200000 is 74.5. The numbers for 2+2's are a little different.
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    If you have a late 260, it will look like my avatar. The front bumper will be big and the turn signals will be in the grill. The early 260 has the turn signals under the bumper in the valence.
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    mine has aftermarket bumper, no turn signal and shaved bumpers... and early SU carbs. making it tricky to identify.

    i appreciate all of your guys help on this.


    little tricky...

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    What is the build date on the door jam?
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    sooo... my bumper is smaller than jeffs, and wraps around where there is a recess in fenders, but cannot say if it has the correct bumper. car came from bakersfeild CA(if you know the spot, you know what i mean, at least its not rusty).

    i'll check dates when i get home from work.

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    How about posting a picture?
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    As an early 260z owner i can tell you this is going to be an important distinction and you need to double check compatibility of pretty much everything you buy. Some catalogs list parts as fitting 260 but what they really mean is it fits a late 260 and 280 model. This forum has been awesome in helping with those questions but definitely check twice before you buy anything.
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    Door jam date is 12/74.

    This old make it the late one, correct?

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    I can get pic, but not sure how much it would help as this seems to be someone's aborted restoration/bumper shave/tweaker project...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Wombat View Post
    Door jam date is 12/74.

    This old make it the late one, correct?
    Yup. I'm pretty sure the cutoff is 9/74

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    Yep, it's a late 260. My guess is that it's one of the last 260's. Mine was 11/74 and I don't think I have seen a later build date 260.
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    We just like pictures
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Wombat View Post
    I can get pic, but not sure how much it would help as this seems to be someone's aborted restoration/bumper shave/tweaker project...

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    Yep, Casey is exactly right. We are suckers for pics.
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    Default a few pics

    70-74.5 or 74.5-xxx-1photo.jpg70-74.5 or 74.5-xxx-3.jpg

    set of prothane bushings(full kit) on the way.

    also ball joints
    brake booster
    master cylinder
    tie rods
    brake lines
    fuel pump(leaking)

    trying to decide on suspension components

    recommendations welcome;

    anyone have experience with installing the(or driving) the KPRO coilover kit

    seems to wind up costing the same for me to do the tokico illumina/spring kit as all my upper mounts will need replacing and ksport replaces all that and has camber plates built in.

    thoughts?

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    the whole "cutting/welding required:" bit scares me a little. i have a mig and oxy cutting rig that i feel good about but cannot weld aluminum(tig) and would get boned on that front. cannot find good info on ksport materials... looks to be aluminum, but cant tell.

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    Im a mediocre welder and was comfortable welding exhaust and new floors. the suspension though.. Id hire a pro for that one. Cost of failure is way too high
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    are there any bolt in coilover kits that do not involve mangling the car AND are under $8,000(arizonaZ)?

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    can i delete this thread, or does mod do that?

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    Just leave it. IMHO threads should be deleted if there are personal attacks or wrong info that can mess up future searches. Neither occurred in this thread.
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    12/74....? In the pix above of the white Z the side indentations for the rear bumper would indicate that it is an early 260. According to my Nissan parts fiche those type bumpers were used on 240/260 up to 8/74. My 9/73 has the indentations. This is important, especially when changing/upgrading suspension components as many changes were made for the 9/74 model. Seems like a 12/74 build date would be an early 280 with an HLS VIN number.
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    Hmmm, I didn't think about the indentations in the quarters. The OP said that the front wasn't stock, so we just relied on the build date. You are right though, the late 260 didn't have them.

    Hey Dr. Wombat, can you post your VIN? We can tell more with that.

    Here is my 11/74 260Z without the indentations in the rear quarters.
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    Thanks for the pic Jeff. I couldn't find a reliable pix of a late 260. The front of the OP Z looks like a stock early 260 except for the air dam. When I bought my 260 it looked similar to that... no turn signals, no bumper, and it had an air dam from a 280. I immediately scrounged some turn signals from a 280 and then when I went to mount them I was deflated...what I thought were turn signal brackets were part of the bumper mounts...
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    We have a club member's early 260 (3/74) in the shop and it has a small rear bumper but has shock holes for the later version bumper.

    I look at frame rails to determine early and late versions (since I sell them and 260 owners aren't sure which style to order). Early 260s generally have 240 style rails and later 260s have the 280 rails installed.

    I have seen 280 rails on a pre-June '74 260 but they could have been replaced by a POV.

    As to coil-overs, I went the GC and Tokico HTS route with the internal biscuit camber set-up. This is similar to what John at Betamotorsports offers. The only welding required is the struts (cut down) and those can be farmed out to a professional. Rear suspension on my 240 has 250 springs, AR Z RCAs, a Suspension Technique sway bar and is set at 2.2 degrees negative and 1/16 toe. Fronts have 275 lb springs, the ST sway bar, LCAs w/heim joints and the pivot point moved up 3/4-inch along with TTT TC rods. Bumps steer spacers and Z Car Customs outer tie rods (straight so the angle a stock tie rod has coupled with a lowered car doesn't put added stress on the inner tie rod). Front camber is 2.2, with a 1/16 of toe and 3.7 degrees of caster. Ride can be soft or harsh depending on the activity planned for the vehicle that day.
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    70-74.5 or 74.5-xxx-engine-plate.jpg70-74.5 or 74.5-xxx-engine.jpg70-74.5 or 74.5-xxx-fender.jpg70-74.5 or 74.5-xxx-quarter-panel.jpgwell....

    i feel stupid, and happy i haven't ordered parts(struts/springs)

    build date is 12/73 NOT 12/74. i guess i shouldn't try and read in the dark post beer...

    anyway here's pics

    for some reason the site will not accept the dash vin pic, but it matches the door jam...

    sooooo... being an early 260, all my suspension stuffs will be 240 parts, correct?

    thanks in advance,
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    70-74.5 or 74.5-xxx-doorjam.jpg

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    Default My 10-74 build date 260Z

    70-74.5 or 74.5-xxx-260z.jpg70-74.5 or 74.5-xxx-260z-1.jpg
    Not sure if the attachments posted but my car seems to have different bumpers than others I have seen. Mine are painted and not chrome. I have only had the car about 5 months.

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    ms260z, You have a late 260 like mine and somebody simply painted the bumpers white.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Wombat View Post
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    i feel stupid, and happy i haven't ordered parts(struts/springs)

    build date is 12/73 NOT 12/74. i guess i shouldn't try and read in the dark post beer...

    anyway here's pics

    for some reason the site will not accept the dash vin pic, but it matches the door jam...

    sooooo... being an early 260, all my suspension stuffs will be 240 parts, correct?

    thanks in advance,
    -Dr. W
    First off, thanks for posting your engine plate! Some people don't want to believe that the L26 had more power than the L24. But back on topic...

    As far as suspension parts go, not exactly. As I've learned from experience, the early 260Z is a very peculiar model in the Z-car line. The suspension is mostly 240Z, except for the front struts and steering rack. I have a thread here detailing some differences, with Dave's help.

    As far as the rack goes, the 240Z rack bushings will not work, they are too narrow as I recall. 280Z rack bushings are the correct ones for both the early and late 260Z. As far as I remember, the rest of the suspension should be very similar to late 240Zs. Let me know if you have any questions about your Z, I've really enjoyed getting to know my early 260!
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    Jeff, thanks. Mine also is missing the rubber bump guards that I see on yours. I know it is missing the rubber spacers between the bumper and body as well. I intend to have it painted one day. I will look at going back to a chrome bumper at that time. Also, the original color is orange. The number is missing off the paint color sticker under the hood. Does anyone know the number for orange?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ms260z View Post
    Jeff, thanks. Mine also is missing the rubber bump guards that I see on yours. I know it is missing the rubber spacers between the bumper and body as well. I intend to have it painted one day. I will look at going back to a chrome bumper at that time. Also, the original color is orange. The number is missing off the paint color sticker under the hood. Does anyone know the number for orange?
    It would be 110 Red, same as my 260Z.

    Ref: http://zhome.com/History/ZColorGallary/index.html
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    Yeah, mine is missing the rubber ends, but I paid $350 for the car and they add weight. I would have removed the bumpers altogether, but they do a great job of protecting the body during a race.

    As for the color, look here. http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/a...6&d=1313534575
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeonV View Post
    It would be 110 Red, same as my 260Z.

    Ref: http://zhome.com/History/ZColorGallary/index.html

    Or 227 Orange.

    Scratch that. Your chart doesn't show orange after '73.
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    I had forgotten about that chart. I guess I'll always be able to find my old Z (and truck) by clicking on 510 blue.
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    i'm thinking to send my spindles in to T3, for coilover build.

    it's basically the ground control kit plus their strut tubes and a sandblasting and paint job. sounds like they can actually do it cheaper than my grassrooting it.

    costs is $1400 usung my spindles.

    and i know it will fit my mut-car :/

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    those of you running camber plates(mainly GC), are you running them on all 4 corners or just front?

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    ^ nice find on the TTT coilover setup, i feel that they will be receiving quite a bit of my money this fall
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    I just spoke to one of guys at TTT, he says they use the ground control kit.

    I hear a lot of people speaking poorly of the eibach springs sagging...

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