Rally anyone?

[Doehring]

Let me go on with 1973:

42nd Rallye Monte Carlo, MC, R.Aaltonen/P. Easter, 10, TKS 33 SA 8512 , 18th
T. Fall/M. Wood, 17, TKS 33 SA 8514, 9th

21st East African Safari, S.Mehta/L.Drews, 1, TKS 33 SA 7924, 1st
E.Herrmann/H.Schuller, 11, ? , ?
R.Aaltonen/P.Easter, 6, TKS 33 SA ?391, ?

(Tranzania 1000) ? / ? , ?, ?, 1st

Maroc Rallye (Maroc) S. Mehta/G. Phillips, %, TKS 33 SA 7922, Totalled after a flat out 300 meters flight into the stony desert
? / ? , 44 ?, ?

(Scottish Rallye (GB)), S. Mehta/ ? , ? ,? , ? (Crashed?)

RAC Rallye (GB), Harry Kallstrom/ Claes Bilstram, 5, TKS 33 SU 4079, 14th
T.Fall/M. Wood, 17, TKS 33 SU 3444, retired
Chris Sclater/Martin Holmes, 22, ?, ?,
Kevin Vidan/Peter Rushforth, ?, ?, 21st

Press on Regardless (USA), Smiskol/ Smiskol, ?, BD 3358, 3rd

(southern Cross(Australia)), ?/?, ?,?, 8th

1974:

22nd East African Safari, H.Kallstrom/C.Bilstram, 14, TKS 33 SU 6468 (260Z) 4th
Zully Remtulla/ Givani, ?, ?, (260Z), 5th

TAP Rallye (Portugal), H.Kallstrom/C.Bilstram, 4, TKS 33 SU 6466 (260Z), 5th

Rideau Lakes Rallye (Canada), Burkhard Skowrennek/ Woodlands, 117, PDH 812 (240Z), 6th
Smiskol/Smiskol, ?, ?, (260Z), 8th

RAC Rallye (GB), Cahal Curley/ ?, 25, TKS 33 SU 6466 (260Z), ?

(Tranzania 1000) ?/?, ?,?, 2nd

Maroc ? / ?, ?, ?, 6th

(Hugenotten Rallye (Germany)), H.Schuller/G.Weitmann, 4, "Tuner Nippon Speed Car (see Le Mans Car), (260Z), 4th

Bandama Rallye(Ivory Coast), ?/?, 2, ?, ?
? /?, 6, ?, (260Z), 5th
? /?, 17, ?, ?

1975:

TAP Rallye (Portugal) Cortez/ Gomez, ?, ex TKS 33 SU 6470, (260Z), 4th
Figueredo/ Baraton, ?, ?, (240Z), 6th
Mepre/ Magelhas, ?, ? (240Z), 10th

(24H Le Mans, (France)), Schuller, Haller, Maechler, 72, TKS 33 SU 6466 (240Z (at least the engine)), "Tuned by Nippon Speed Car") , 26th over all, 1st in class

(24H Spa-Francorchamps (Belgium)),Delbar/Rubens/Miroux, 17, ?, 260 Z 2+2 !!!, ?

RAC Rallye (GB), Kevin Vidan/Peter Valentine ?, LPE 66 P, ?, ?

1976:

(Firestone Rallye (Spain)), K. Videan/ P.Valentine, ?, LPE 66 P, 6th

24th East African Safari, H.Schuller/Dieter Steinmann, 16, TKS 33 SU 6470, (260Z),"Nippon Speed Car", ?

(24H Le Mans (F)) Haller/Buchet/Favresse, 73, ?, (260Z) Totalled

1981:

(Jänner Rallye (Austria)), S.Mehta/Yvonne Mehta, ?, ?, ?; (240Z), 12th. In this event AUDI presented 1st times the works Quattro, the winner of theis event, starting a new aera, the 4wd

Rolf-K. Doehring

[Doehring]

Friends,
I got the information that a very few years ago (end of 90s ?) a 240 Z finished 2nd at a remake of the famous London-Mexico Worldcup Rallye. Winner was - as at the original event - Hannu Mikkola in his Ford Escort. I heard the 240 Z was Australien. There must have been another 240 Z. Who has informations an pictures on the car and /or the event?
Rolf

[HS30-H]

Hi Doehring,

You have really been data-crunching haven't you!?

Its going to take a while to wade through it all, but I think I can fill in a couple of gaps for you. I shall have to have a think of how to format it, though - otherwise the list will get longer and longer by repeating itself ( how many pages are we limited to here? ).

That Australian Z entry must surely have been Mr Ross Dunkerton? Our correspondents in Australia must surely be able to confirm this. He is a well-known face among the rallying Datto fans down under, and has a lot of successes under his belt.

Well done for all that data..............

Alan.

[Doehring]

Hi Alan and all other friends,
when I have a little more time I will repeat the data in an Excel-Matrix and send this to everybody who is interested. I don't know if I can attach an Excel-Matrix to this thread, Mike ? You can than easily fill the gaps. I'm not used to use Word. Perhaps that's easier. I will ask a secretary.
Dunkerton is a name I read already. Friends from "down under", can you find out more about the car and the event, perhaps with some pics? Would be great to see how good a Z performs still today in the toughest events.
Rolf

[EricB]

Doering,

I have already put your data up until 1972 in an Excel format so there's no need to repeat the process.... Shall I mail it to you?

-e

[Doehring]

Hi EricB,
thank you very much for the Excel sheet. Would you be so nice to add the figures from 1973-1981 that I collected in my 2nd part of the history ? That would be great. Please let the writing-rights (correct english?) open so that we can add informations where I left questionmarks ? Alan (HS30-H) already mentioned that he can fill some open positions.
Rolf

[Caen Fred]

Nicy, nicy...

It's alive!!!!

Well done boys, so this is getting somewhere now, I am interested by the sheet.
I have notice in the "for sale" from one of our papers a 240z prepared for dirt rallying (I don't even want to think what it should look like!!!) but that mean that a few are still rallying today. Beside Kevin Bristow any well known rallying Z that we could support and get exited over?

[Doehring]

Good morning CaenFred,
how is La Rochelle today? I have been there some time ago while sailing to Lissabon. There were the F1 Cat- and Trimarans in the harbour. Great ! La Rochelle is a wonderful place. Friends, don't miss it if you're going to France.
Fred, thank you for the pics from the Le Mans Z. You mentioned Kevin 's Z. I hope our Australien friends can find out more about the Dunkerton car Alan mentioned, must be a great marathon car.
Did you see mine in sportZmagazine. That was a good on, too. Shurely Guus will perform well when he starts the action
I'm very hopeful that we can fill the ??? in my table all together when EricB has sent the Excel matrix to you, me and all other interested Z rallyefans.
Rolf

[Z-point]

Good morning CaenFred,
Did you see mine in sportZmagazine. That was a good on, too. Shurely Guus will perform well when he starts the action
Rolf

Hi Rolf,

How did you become so famous? Did you volunteered or what. I do not have a membership but thinking about it, it’s rather expensive.

Guus
Z-point

www.z-point.nl/victory_lane.htm

[Doehring]

Guus,
at first: Thanks for your victory lane. As you know I used it to start my search on registering the works cars rallye events. Now I'm already anxiously waiting for EricB's Excel matrix so that we all together can try to complete the history.
Concerning sportZmagazine I was an early subscriber but in the beginning there were some difficulties for the german post that was not able to read automatically my german adress that was printed on the envelop in the american order. So I had for a long time a very friendly conversation with sportZmagazine. That's how I got in contact with the team there and the busy editor David. I like it and I recommand it. It's a pity that it is quite expensive for us here in EUROland, perhaps the exchange rate will turn to our advantage one day. I wanted to insert an image here cutaway of the works Safari car), but I can't find out how to do it. IMG says "enter a text for formating", but nothing about the
way to put in the picture. Can you or someone explain me how to do it right?
Rolf

[Caen Fred]

To put a pict online you have to upload-it to a web-folder of your choice, with an ftp program like "cute ftp" or "leechftp".
Then you have to link your photo by typing it'se exact adress
"ex.http://www.xxxxxxxx.com/xxxxx.jpg"
and voilà!
It's really a lot easyer that it sound.
PS : It's really sunny here, why don't you come for a quick swim?

[EricB]

Rolf,

I just sent you the Excel spreadsheet in 97/98 format - if it does not open correctly let me know and I will try a different format. I just read your post above about asking me to add the 73-81 data... let me see if i can do that right now..... if it works out i will send you a newer spreadsheet with all the info

-e

[Z-point]

Hi Guys,

I’ve added the years '95 up till '02 to my page. Including links to the rally organisers.
We have to keep up, not only with history!

Guus
Z-point


www.z-point.nl/victory_lane.htm

[Z-point]

Hi guys,

Look what I found at eBay http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...tem=1836462986

I already have this one so I leave it up to you!! Good Luck with bidding.

Guus

This is a 1973 vintage race poster advertising the MONTE CARLO RALLY and the legendary performance of the Datsun 240Z.
This poster is quite large measuring 28 1/2" by 40 1/2".
It is in fair condition with tack holes in each corner, wrinkling along the edges and a small strip of paper is missing at the top. The top left corner has a tear and the paper was folded back in the picture and the bottom right corner has been stained.


www.z-point.nl/victory_lane.htm

[Z-point]

Hi guys,

Here you see two maps full of newsflashes from the past…As soon as I have my new scanner, I’m going to put something’s on the net.
But it will be a lot of work to go thru it. As you can see!


Guus
Z-point


www.z-point.nl/victory_lane.htm [/QUOTE]

[Mike]

Hi guys,

This is sure a popular thread!!! It's so popular, you now get your own forum. Congrats!

As you'll notice, I've also created a bigger racing area with different racing forums as well.

Keep it rockin!

[Zedrally]

At last, a dedicated forum to Rally(s)& 240z's!
Thanks Mike!
I'll open the discussion up for others that may be interested in different types of rally(s)see which is going to be most popular [Forest Racing ala WRC, Tarmac Rally or those Navigational Nightmares] or is it going to be Rally Prep?
Currently I have been campaigning a 240z in all 3 types with moderate results.
I have been experiancing intermitant problems with Headlight & Driving Light failure and am wondering if there are any others on the list who have experianced a similar problem?
So far the problem only occurs when the DL's are switched on. ie all lights on High. The failure usually occurs at the end of stage when Low beam is selected and pow! no lights!!!!
Any ideas!!!!
Mike

[Z-point]

Hi guys,

Maybe we find here some truth about the History of the Southern Cross. It is so to speak very nearby!!

I already used this information in my victor lane.

http://www.amsag.com.au/amsag/cross.htm

Regards,

Guus
Z-point

http://www.z-point.nl/victory_lane.htm constantly updating

[Z-point]

Hi guys,

Maybe we find here some truth about the History of the Southern Cross. It is so to speak very nearby!!

I already used this information in my victor lane.

http://www.amsag.com.au/amsag/cross.htm

Regards,

Guus
Z-point

http://www.z-point.nl/victory_lane.htm constantly updating

here's a picture from one of the cars

Guus

[Doehring]

Thank you for the forum, Mike.

[Doehring]

Zedrallye,

up to now I didn't have your problem in an event but I fear I will get it as soon as I would drive with 6 lights burning. I think the Z's generator isn't powerful enough, as well as the battery. I changed the american sealed beam lights to Hella-bi jode that has a quite acceptable far going beam and add the Cibie wide angeled fog lights to have better visibility on both sides for cornering. I once tried the 100 W Hella far beam lights together with the Cibies and I got your troubles. So I decided the above compromise. Has anyone on the list experienced stronger generators or knows anyone what Datsun did to the works rallye cars ?

Rolf

[Z-point]

Zedrallye,

up to now I didn't have your problem in an event but I fear I will get it as soon as I would drive with 6 lights burning. I think the Z's generator isn't powerful enough, as well as the battery. I changed the american sealed beam lights to Hella-bi jode that has a quite acceptable far going beam and add the Cibie wide angeled fog lights to have better visibility on both sides for cornering. I once tried the 100 W Hella far beam lights together with the Cibies and I got your troubles. So I decided the above compromise. Has anyone on the list experienced stronger generators or knows anyone what Datsun did to the works rallye cars ?

Rolf

Hi lights,

are you both working with relais?

I'll attach a picture how to deal with this matter

Guus

[Doehring]

Guus, thankyou for the hint on the relais. I use a relais because it is not allowed here to drive far beam and fog beam together in normal traffic. On special stages I use far beam and fog beam together what means I have to "overjump" the relais feeding the fog lights directly from the battery - and that sucks energy.
Rolf

[Z-point]

Guus, thankyou for the hint on the relais. I use a relais because it is not allowed here to drive far beam and fog beam together in normal traffic. On special stages I use far beam and fog beam together what means I have to "overjump" the relais feeding the fog lights directly from the battery - and that sucks energy.
Rolf

Rolf,

Thing is, every lamp set has his own relay and own wiring. The fog beam and the far beam also. Otherwise the amperage gets to high as you already mentioned. Perhaps you could also install a dynamo of a 280ZX?

What you need is a normal kind of relay with 4 poles 30, 85, 86 and 87. With this and lots of wiring, you can use both sets at once. Even in combination with your standard headlights.

And for the headlight circuit you also have a solution to minimize the amperage.
Go to
Pete Paraska pparaska@comcast.net IZCC#15
73 240Z marathon project <http://mywebpages.comcast.net/pparaska/>
See <http://HybridZ.org> for Datsun Z car drivetrain/susp/brake/chassis/body mods

There you find this link: 240Z Headlight Relay Circuit, this is also very useful and will kill amperage through the wires and headlight switch.

Good luck

Guus
Z-point

If you like I could send you a bigger picture of the wiring!

[Zedrally]

Full setup details as such:
Sealed Beam lights converted to H4, running 100/130w globes, each filiment is separetly relayed.
When I used only this setup all was OK.
Added DL (Hella spot 100w ea) and sep. relay, upgraded altenator to 85amp internal regulated.
That's when all my problems began.
On other point. I had originally wired the relays directly from the alternator, have now changed to starter motor, but very hesitant to try out the new arrangement just in case I have another double failure at speed amoungst the tree!
Mike