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    Hi Guys (if anyone is still around!?)

    just looking at buying a 240K coupe (c110 probably) for a charity rally (for the camp quality esCARpade) in october.

    just wondering what are good forums or websites to visit for information on the 240K and worthwhile (and cheap) upgrades..

    Both my friend and i have R33 GTR's, but you couldn't believe how excited we are to get back to the skyline roots and work on this little project car

    anyways, thanks for any info etc. you can pass on to me!
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    Welcome Khughes!!

    As far as dedicated 240k forums go - this is about the closest I've found. there are a few other good Nissan / Datsun sites, such as http://www.ozdat.com/forum/ - they mainly discuss the Datto 1600, but there's a lot of knowledge about older Datsuns in general. You can also visit skulines Australia, but they seem more interested in later Skylines (and you probably already know about them).

    Upgrades? What exactly are you after? The brakes can be quite easilu upgraded along the same lines as the 1600 upgrades (ie VL calipers, Verada discs, or you can look at Hilux calipers, or later model Nissan ones. It all depends on what struts you have. Rear disc brake conversions can be done from R30 / 31 Skylines without too much difficulty.

    Suspension - well, I'm going to build my own coilovers, although this will take me a while to get organised.

    Engines - well, the L24 can be upgraded with an L28 and made to go hard, or the RB series engines can be made to fit without too much hassle. mine has an old Skool boat anchor in the form of a P76 donk. Haven't had it running yet, so can't comment on the effectiveness of that unit.

    I'd be concerned about using a K as a rally / charity bash car. They're getting quite rare, specially the 2 door ones. Seems more and more people are getting into the 2 door ones too, which makes them a bit mor especial.

    Mine's going to become a dedicated (almost) track car, and I'm having enough difficulty coming to terms with that concept.

    Lastly, good luck on your quest, and keep us posted on your progress!!

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    yep, when i say rally, it isn't a WRC style rally i wouldn't do that to it

    it is basically a road event, covering mostly public and private dirt roads, it isn't a race or anything. though we may do some track work with it later on.

    The idea (body wise) so far is to get a coupe, strip is back and repaint it, get the GTR moulds and stick them on, and stick some fat tyres on it. we have to get sponsorship to cover the cost of entry, so it is going to look good!

    suspension and brake wise we want to upgrade the brakes, preferably 4 pots on the front, with bigger discs (does the 240k have rear discs too?), suspension wise i guess just tighten everything up, swaybars etc..

    engine wise, i am not too sure what we are going to do, would it just be cheaper to drop an RB25 or a 1GJZE into it? rather than moding an L24? or would the weight difference make a modded L24 a better idea?

    we will really require something solid, as most of the rally will occur in remote NSW and QLD, not too many spares out there i would imagine!

    this is the first project car i have participated in so if anyone has suggestions or hints, that would be greatly greatly appreciated, we only have 4 months and we havn't even found the car yet, so it is going to be a pretty hectic few months!

    if anyone knows of a good condition C110 240K coupe for sale on the eastern side of Australia, please let me know! it will go to a great home!

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    Welcome khughes!

    First of all I wish you luck finidng a good example of a 2 door coupe within a short period of time. If you manage to do it, great!

    I know of a couple of guys with coupes here in Vic who'd be willing to part if the right $$$ was paid, infact my ex-project GTR replica with tubbed rear and GTR flares all round belongs to a friend of mine now

    Only thing that would need touching up for a rally car would be the rear quarter boot corners (cut and shut job) and re-spray the car (orange peel finish)

    Second point, please don't use it as a rally car!!! These classics are getting so hard to find to risk bashing against a tree.

    Come on, do yourself a favour, buy a crappy Sunny or 180B and save the 240K for a classic restoration.

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    Originally posted by khughes


    we will really require something solid, as most of the rally will occur in remote NSW and QLD, not too many spares out there i would imagine!
    Word of advice here. If it were I, I would go for a Holden or Ford. You will find parts whereever you may breakdown.

    As many have remarked, 240K are getting a scarce as hens teeth and even though it isn't a WRC type rally, it's still pretty severe on any car of this vintage.

    On modifications, you should be careful as you may find yourself protested out. I did have a set of supps posted to me, however I've carefully filed them away and am uncertain of eligibility. Further on this aspect, if modifications are a free for all, then you need to remeber that once modified you may not be able to enter any other event. Check the CAMS Manual just to be sure.

    Good luck, these events are a real hoot, just remember careful planning will win through at the end of the day.

    PS The ideal car for this event would be a pug! [now I'll don a bullet proof jacket and duck]!

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    Thanks for all the welcomes (and good to see some 240k nuts still around!)

    maybe i should try and clarify some things, don't want you all thinking i am out to destroy a perfectly good (and rare) coupe!

    as i said, it isn't a rally, no sideways action nothing.. it isn't even a
    race! it is just basically a big car cruise in outback australia (mostly on dirt roads).

    the reason we want to use the C110 is that it is the grandfather to our GTR's and a good angle for us in sponsorship (as my friend
    owns Skylinesaustralia, and we will hopefully be getting sponsorship with some of it's sponsors)

    both of us are very particular about our cars, and this one won't be an exception!

    as it isn't a race, there are no rules as to power output etc.. as long as it is road registered and pre 1980 then it is fine..

    JMT240KGTR if you can pm me some more details about the car like any mods, what needs to be completed, asking price etc that would be fantastic..

    we found a c210 coupe for $500, but decided to go the c110 instead, i think it is a much better shape than the c210 (sorry to any c210 owners out there!). What sort of price would be a reasonable purchase for a c110 coupe (manual)?

    again more than likely it will turn into a track day and club show car after this charity "event"
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    Heh,

    Hey Guys, newbie here as well. My name is Christian, I am doing this charity event with Kent.

    Thanks 440K for pushing Skylines Australia. (Thats actually my site).

    If you guys saw how kent and I drive our GTR's you could rest assured that nothing would happen to the 240k, we are both slow as drivers and are more excited about cleaning the car up that actually going in the event. We just figure that we may as well hit 2 birds with one stone and get a car that we would like to use as a project car as well as something we could use in such events apart from our dailys.

    Anyhoo, thanks for all the advice, everybody we have spoken to regarding this has been a great help!

    Christian

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    Hey PranK,

    I used to hang around at SDU / Skylines Australia when I had an R32. I now drive a WRX, so am no longer welcome there (Just kidding - I still visit from time to time, but hardly recognise anyone there anymore!)

    The 240K, like many older Dattos lends itself to mods quite well. If you're worried about too much weight from the RB25's, don't be. The old L24 lump was one heavy unit. (Very well built , and bullet proof engine). I have a V8 in mine which probably weighs 50kg less than the original donk (being all alloy helps)

    240k's didn't have discs at the back as standard, but I'm confident that the R31 Skyline discs will fit well. I have a set of R30 rear arms, and am going to try and fit those brakes to mine - just to see if I can.

    If you want more info on rallying a 240K (even though you say you're not going to do any serious sideways stuff - shyeah, right!!) call Dave Gaines at Cruisin Auto Spares on the Sunshine Coast (07 5441 6411). He rallies a 240k quite successfully, and can help out with suspension and brake mods, as well as other performance ideas.

    You'll find that the GTR flares can be picked up quite cheap, (look for an earlier post on this site) but other things like the mirrors, grille, rear spoiler, badges and tail lights are a bit harder to get, and can be quite expensive. I'm going to put the flares on my car, but only so I can fit some decent rubber in there. I doubt whether I'll bother with the rest of the stuff. Mine will be built for go, rather than show (if I ever get around to starting on it )

    I can't see why you shouldn't be able to pick up a reasonable 240K for a grand or so - if you can find one. A 2 door will be harder, and more expensive, but they are out there. I paid less than a grand for mine, but it basically needs a full rebuild (although the body is very rust free)

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    What he said. The trouble with these cars aren't the price (cheap as chips!), but rather the fact that you can't seem to find any anymore.

    The C210 is just as rare in Hardtop form.

    I think it's awesome that you guys want to rally one of our cars. Give the old beauties some well-deserved attention amongst the newer generation crowd!!

    The 240K's had drums at the back, but the GT-R's in Japan had discs. Like Peter said though, a conversion from a later Skyline is possible.

    About making it look like a GT-R. I guess you would just want the flares, and maybe a fibreglass GT-R grill. It's all pretty expensive and you'd have to import it straight from Japan, but I guess if you're running around in R33 GT-R's $600 or so for a front grille isn't THAT much...............

    Let us know how you go, I'll keep an eye out for any C110 2 doors, but dont push your luck if you're trying to find one quickly, like James said...

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    Well guys, good news!!

    we found one! it is a 1974 240K 2 door coupe 2000GTX in great condition (apart from being in a million pieces! we just have to put it all back together).

    you wouldn't believe how new the front seats look, it is truly amazing! (that was the most striking thinkg about the car for me!)

    it will need a fair bit of work, but the owner has already started on some of the major things, it currently has honda accord disc brakes in the front and Landcruiser calipers, adjustable front suspension (height adj.) and kyb shocks in the rear. it also came with a new extractor

    It also comes with a set of GTR replica fenders and electric bluebird mirrors (to mount on the front fender)

    we will be starting up a website to track progress and will post the URL for those of you who are interested when the site is registered.

    we will be picking the car up in two weeks, then the real fun begins, putting it all together!

    expect quite a few questions from us over the coming 4 months! (so sorry in advance!)

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    Wow thats great!
    I saw one ad in VIC selling $500

    I would be very interested on that progress site you guys are going to make.

    cool its got some goodies already! aside from being a GTX very rare as well

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    yeah it looks a little rough at the moment (as it is all over the place, and mostly in undercoat) but it should come up really well, most of the rust (the little that it had) has been taken out, so it should be a very solid car!

    the owner has the original engine, though it was in pieces and he wasn't sure if it would run, so he was going to give us a running L24 from another car instead.

    the current owner had added A/C and Power steering too, more bonuses!

    do you know what extra features the GTX have over the GT's (and where there any other model varients?)?

    thanks

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    Hi Kent,
    What good news!! Sounds like you bought 'nixcars' car. He is a member here. It is a very solid car, and any work he had done on it would be great I'm sure. Congratulations The website would be great, make sure to ask us if you need any help with that.

    If it was Nick's car, though, I don't think it's a GTX... He bought it locally from the original owners IIRC... The 2000GTX came with the L20 engine - 2 litre six. Not the 2.4 litre six (L24) that the 240K's came with down under. The GTX was the luxury-spec model though, with electric windows (!!!), air con and a few other cool little electric devices. Domestic model only. Which is why I'd be surprised (and a bit jealous) if you actually did get one!

    The C110 model variants in Japan were:

    - Nissan Skyline GL (SWB Model - 2 Door Hardtop and 4 Door Sedan - 1600cc and 1800cc 4-cyl engines)
    - Nissan Skyline 2000GT (LWB Model - 2 & 4 Door - 2000cc straight-6)
    - Nissan Skyline GTX (LWB Model - 2 & 4 Door - 2000cc straight-6)
    - Nissan Skyline GTX-E (Same as GTX, except had even more features - VERY rare)
    - Nissan Skyline GT-R (The most collectable. 2 Door Hardtop LWB only, 2000cc straight-6 S20 engine)

    And I've heard that some models could be had with the 2.4 six we got in Australia, but I'm not sure if this is correct. Can anyone confirm?

    And in Australia we got:

    - Datsun 240K GL (LWB - 2 & 4 Door - 2400cc straight-6)
    - Datsun 240K GT (Not too sure about this one though! Apparently just had a tape deck and a/c - much sportier!!)

    If anyone can add to this list, or correct me, please do!! This information isn't gospel, it's just what I've gathered from various places around the net.

    Here is a picture of the SWB model Skyline, note the much shorter bonnet. Can't imagine the 1.6 litre 4-pot would move it very fast!
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    yep your correct, it is Nick's (small world!)

    hmm. that makes more sense, that would be why it had GL badges on the rear , excuse my ignorence, the front badge that had me fooled (and a profound lack of background on these cars), it is a domestic model.

    the website will be situated at www.project240k.com, the name has just been registered (and may take a few days to activate) we just have to find the time now to get the site built (and our initial pictures up). when we do hopefully we can get a bit of the history of the early skylines on there (so your information is invaluable!)

    if anyone wants to right informative articles (or knows of any in existance) please feel free to contact me and we will stick them on the site.

    we are thinking of trying to promote the earlier skylines a little more on skylinesaustralia.com, possibly have a specific section for talk relating to pre R31 skylines (do you think this is a good idea?)though i think you guys will be the number one source for quite some time, especially with all the L engine information on this site!

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    That sounds like a great idea (the website, and the additional forum).

    I have a few magazine articles, when you get the website up I could scan those for you. There are a few IT guys here (kyteler and myself at least) so if you guys do need any help (sounds like youre an IT guy yourself though) maybe we can offer our help.

    Originally, I owned a 240Z and that's how I found this forum - great place - theres NOTHING these blokes don't know about S30 cars!! Then, in a stroke of fate I acquired my C110 and sold the 240Z. I sticked to this forum, not just because the guys here know so much about the L-engines, but also because I've made a few friends too. Somehow, more and more C110 guys find this place, and now we have our own little sub-community. Thanks to Mike (Admin) we even recently got our own forum too!

    If a new forum is founded on skylinesdownunder.com I'd visit, I'll give you that much There just aren't too many Pre-R31 Skyline fans who use the Internet much...

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    yeah that is what we had figured, maybe it is best to stick here and see what happens, hopefully we can get a good website together though, the definitive source for C10, C110 and C210 240k's (and variants)

    we may even make it php based so, people can join up and post articles etc themselves, add comments etc.. that seems the best way to make it more of a community thing, though that may be a little while off yet (atleast till i come back from holidays unless prank has some free time!)

    but yeah, your articles would be a fantastic inclusion!

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    First up, welcome

    Secondly, as Alfadog said, any help you want, give us a yell and we'll see what we can do to answer it.

    Let's play the model game Lachlan, you ready?

    C110 (Sept. 72)

    Sedan & Hardtop (referred to as hardtop instead of coupe due to lack of pillars.)
    2000GT-X, L20 (lu'X'ury Spec, electric windows air-con, etc.)
    2000GT, L20
    1800GL, G18
    1600GL, G16
    1600DX, G16

    Sedan Only
    1800DX, G18
    1600STD, G16

    Wagon
    1800DX, G18
    1600DX, G16
    1600STD, G16

    January 1973 - All Hail the GT-R
    2000GT-R, S20

    C111 (June 1976)
    (The reign of the L-series)

    Sedan & Hardtop
    2000GTX-ES, L20E
    2000GTX-E, L20E
    2000GT-E, L20E
    2000GT-L Type, L20
    2000GT, L20
    1800GL, L18
    1600GL, L16

    Sedan Only
    1800DX, L18
    1600DX, L16

    Wagon
    1600GL, L16
    1600DX, L16

    Export Variant
    240K (GL & GT), L24

    C210 (August, 1977)
    -Michael

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    1973 Datsun 240K Hardtop KHGC110-003345 (Parts Car) <- Now deceased

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    Oh and now that I've gone back and read the rest of the thread

    I've got a couple of articles from magazines already typed out, I Have them all ready for when I can afford to get the site I was going to do, all sorted out... it all takes money and with a distinct lack of employment I haven't been able to get it sorted yet. Accursed money.

    One is from March 1973, Wheels magazine ( I believe Lachlan (Alfadog) has this magazine also ) review on the Hardtop.

    Another from March 1975, Modern MOTOR Magazine. ( review on the Sedan, which as I understand it was a later and more popular export to Australia )

    I have another C210 related article comparing the Cressida to the Skyline but have yet to type it out, more to do with being lazy than a lack of money.
    -Michael

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    that is fantastic, if you don't mind emailing them to me, then i will put them up on the site when it is built!

    i will pm you my email address

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    Originally posted by Alfadog
    - Datsun 240K GT (Not too sure about this one though! Apparently just had a tape deck and a/c - much sportier!!)
    In 1986, I bought my first car - a '74 240K GT. 2 previous owners and while it had an original double-DIN radio/tape setup, it didn't have air-con (or even the controls for it). It did have tri-carbs - but that was an aftermarket bolt-on I'm sure. But when sat next to a GL, it was very hard to pick the difference - other than white pin-stripes.

    I have a feeling the differences were cosmetic.
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    Currently in search of a Datsun 240K hardtop.

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    Thankyou for clarification!!

    Michael, the wagon!! I forgot about that... where'd you get all that info?

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    There's a page on it here:

    http://www1.ncv.ne.jp/~t-mory/c110top.html

    Needs translation thugh



    Can't say the styling impresses me
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    Thanks for the webpage - Have a look in my gallery for some more pictures of the C110 wagon from a brochure, if youre interested!

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    Alfadog;

    Most of it is just random web searches, I can't recall the site but I saved that info into a text file for the sole purpose of correcting or adding to your list, sometime in the future

    Setanta;

    Those are some nice quality looking 1/24th scale models, I think the wagon has it's own appeal however if we were going for a wagon my pick would be a VC10...

    -Michael

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    Whoops - that'll teach me not to do a translation - I hadn't realised they were models.

    Agreed on that wagon
    kyteler - it looks a sweet ride
    Current ride: Import '90 JDM EF9 Civic SiR
    Currently in search of a Datsun 240K hardtop.

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    for those interested, we have updated our website a little and have added more pictures to the gallery

    www.project240k.com

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    Just a small note,

    I checked the website, if you've got a hardtop/2dr/coupe you have a KHGC110 as opposed to a HGC110 (which is written on the website) which is the 4door.

    K- Hardtop
    H- Engine Series (L-series in this case)
    G- Long Wheel Base
    C110- Series/Chassis Designation.

    HtH
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