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    Default 5 Speed transmission identifying question.

    Can anyone identify this trans?

    It says" TA71B #3 " "7Y07349" and it has 2 ears at shifter.

    If this is for 81-82 ZX, why does it have oil temp sensor at the back as well as inspection hole at the bottom of bell housing like BW T5?

    Very confused here.........

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    Are you sure it's a temperature sensor and not the reverse switch for the lights when backing up?

    Pics look like the ones for the brand new 5 speed on ZCAR.com

    Are they?
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    No, the one posted on Zcar.com (and also here, and hybridz.org) is an early Type A as used in '70-71 S30s in other parts of the world. That one is correct for '70-71, and will fit later S30s as well. completely different than the one pictured here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arne View Post
    No, the one posted on Zcar.com (and also here, and hybridz.org) is an early Type A as used in '70-71 S30s in other parts of the world. That one is correct for '70-71, and will fit later S30s as well. completely different than the one pictured here.
    I think this is the one RHChew is referring to Arne, http://www.zcar.com/forums/read/12/2031365.

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    I already i'd the trans in post 2. We discussed it before here.
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    Default It is different one.

    Quote Originally Posted by sblake01 View Post
    I already i'd the trans in post 2. We discussed it before here.
    I read your post before on the other transmission with different shifter area with different electric connectors. This one is the one I am considering buying off Zcars.com. This person claims that it is for his car 82 280ZX(81-82). What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike B View Post
    I think this is the one RHChew is referring to Arne, http://www.zcar.com/forums/read/12/2031365.

    -Mike
    Thanks Mike. Yes, that is the one. What do you think? It has 2 ears at shfter, and it kind'da looks like "B" Trans. What bothers me is that temp sensor at the back. Normally 280Z or 280ZX trans never come with one except 83 BW T5 one.

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    I guess I should have looked more closely at your pictures. I went by the 'TA71B' number that you posted. I wonder where the person that Lee280zx bought this from got them. It still looks like a Z31 trans to me. Perhaps it's a non USA trans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sblake01 View Post
    I guess I should have looked more closely at your pictures. I went by the 'TA71B' number that you posted. I wonder where the person that Lee280zx bought this from got them. It still looks like a Z31 trans to me. Perhaps it's a non USA trans.
    Thank you for your comment. He said that he bought it from president of Z car club in San Diego area where he resides.
    I see where it connects to the drive shaft seems diffeent from regular 280ZX trans..........

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    It doesn't have the Z31 type shifter so I don't know what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sblake01 View Post
    It doesn't have the Z31 type shifter so I don't know what it is.
    I called Courtesy Nissan, MSA, and few other people.........
    No luck. But I found out Even BW T5 does not have this temp sensor like thing at the back..... The seller does not know the detail, but he strongly belives that it fits any 240Z, 260Z, and 280Z, and Zxs. But the question is what is this for...........It came from Nissan dealer old stock, he said......

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    I could be wrong, since we don't have a nice straight-on picture, but the bell housing to block bolt spacing doesn't look like it fits an L-series to me. Take a look at this picture, especially where the bolt holes are near the starter, and compare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arne View Post
    I could be wrong, since we don't have a nice straight-on picture, but the bell housing to block bolt spacing doesn't look like it fits an L-series to me. Take a look at this picture, especially where the bolt holes are near the starter, and compare.

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    You are right!!!! Starter appears to be at top, not side/middle on L engines.
    Now problem solved. I will not buy this unit!!!!

    Thanks bunch for all of you guys!

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    Need to inform the seller and the person he got it from that they are not for L series engines. Perhaps they're for trucks like the 720, D21, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sblake01 View Post
    Need to inform the seller and the person he got it from that they are not for L series engines. Perhaps they're for trucks like the 720, D21, etc.

    Could it be used on Z cars if you replace the bell housing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by esprist View Post
    Could it be used on Z cars if you replace the bell housing?

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    The bell housing appears to be integral with the trans case. You have to modify it similar to the Z31 trans modification in the thread I linked. I don't know, not knowing what vehicle it's for, you don't know what the ratios are. Would it really be worth the hassle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sblake01 View Post
    The bell housing appears to be integral with the trans case. You have to modify it similar to the Z31 trans modification in the thread I linked. I don't know, not knowing what vehicle it's for, you don't know what the ratios are. Would it really be worth the hassle?

    Is it for 200SX Later model?
    I saw your comment from a while back....

    Is a 200SX worth picking up?

    If that engine is slanted, it explaines why the stater opening is up there...

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    It could be. An 80-83 had the Z20 and I believe the later 84 and up use the CA18/20. Both are slanted for hood clearance.
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    [QUOTE=sblake01;287792]It could be. An 80-83 had the Z20 and I believe the later 84 and up use the CA18/20. Both are slanted for hood clearance.[/QUOTE

    I just talked to someone who actually did it with only bell housing swap.

    Thank you for your info and help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike B View Post
    I think this is the one RHChew is referring to Arne, http://www.zcar.com/forums/read/12/2031365.

    -Mike
    Mike is pointing to the same one I was referencing. Pictures and part numbers are identical.

    I am a 1972, original S30 owner. Been through 3 5 speeds. First was from a 2 Liter Roadster from Nissan competition. Kept popping out of gear while accelerating, returned it. Bell housing and drive shaft swap, too.

    I'd like to point out, my second 5 speed in 1974 was from a European equivalent 620/720 pickup truck with a very wide and sweeping shift lever, and wide shift (RPM) ratio. Naturally, Euro shift pattern.

    Bell housing needed swapping, and used the shorter drive shaft (again), and the 720's pressure plate package....height sensitive.

    Great for mileage and touring use.

    My current 5 spd referenced in earlier post on this thread is from an 83 zx NA, close ratio.

    The 5 speed close ratio matches the 3.9 R200 I just swapped.

    Yes, awesome because this pairing and the 065 model cam (American) (high lift and short duration, barely audible loping) that I got through Pierre's in Hawthorne, CA is awesome. I'm pulling at 2800 to 3000rpm upward (original tach(?) is not that reliable an indicator). Original SU's, L28, domed pistons, meaning regular, unleaded.

    The current close ratio 5 speed from the ZX did not require a bell housing swap. Clutch is height sensitive in this model. Either use a 720 pressure plate throw out bearing combo or use the 83 ZX package. Don't forget the roller pilot bearing or brass bushing swap. The needles from the roller pilot bearing literally fell out when pulled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RHChew View Post
    I'd like to point out, my second 5 speed in 1974 was from a European equivalent 620/720 pickup truck with a very wide and sweeping shift lever, and wide shift (RPM) ratio. Naturally, Euro shift pattern.

    What's a "Euro shift pattern"?

    Does it have a moustache, and speak with a funny accent?

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    Makes as much sense as calling it a 'dogleg'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HS30-H View Post
    What's a "Euro shift pattern"?

    Does it have a moustache, and speak with a funny accent?

    Close, enough to freedom fries and pre-Ford Lucas electrical reliability!

    The placement of reverse is opposite of our normal US shift pattern. Parking lot attendants who are accustomed to US 5 Speed would put the Euro trans into reverse instead of first gear.

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    I'm pretty sure that Alan knows the pattern you refer to. He's just questioning why it's called a "Euro shift pattern" as I was wondering about the oft used 'dogleg' term for the same pattern.
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    Well "Dogleg First" makes sense to me anyway. At least it's universal, and describes something physical - something mechanical. Interestingly, the Japanese usually call this shift pattern "Low Back" - which also makes descriptive sense.

    I never heard that described as a "Euro" shift pattern before that's all. A matter of perspective, then. Thanks for the explanation.

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    I've heard it called 'lowdown' as well as a number of other things. It's almost hard to find two people that call it the same thing. By the way, what is 'our normal US shift pattern'? Even that one would be open for debate.
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