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    Hello everyone,

    I apologize if this is in the wrong thread, as the subject is not limited to S30s, but I figured I'd give it a shot.

    I am in the process of restoring my 1970-71 CA Blue License Plate for my Z, and would love to hear if anyone had experience with it?

    The biggest problem I am facing now is finding a matching color right out of a can. Has anyone had any luck with finding a color that matches the blue and yellow on these plates? I went to a paint shop to try and get a mixture once, and the employees proceeded to tell me that I would get a ticket for it I am leaning towards spray paint just because it results in a smoother texture, opposed to if I were to use a brush.

    Once again, I apologize if this is in the wrong thread. But I've searched over and over for the paint codes with no luck. I know I can buy replicas, but what I really want to do is just repaint the existing ones I have.

    This is a plate for reference (not mine):



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    It is true that most states have administrative rules that prohibit repainted plates. But done well, no one will know.

    I've always thought that the blue of the California plates was very similar to the blue used on Oregon plates through '73.



    If so, this site may be able to help with the blue. The yellow on the CA plates appears to be a bit more "orangy" than the Oregon yellow, though.
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    Thanks Arne,

    You are right; the blue in the Oregon plate looks almost identical to the CA Blue Plate. I will try and get in contact with them, too bad their site says they specialize "ONLY IN OREGON PLATES."

    On the side, is that your car? (thrown off by the missing bumper) What paint did you use for your tail light panel/license plate light? Looks like a dark "grey, not-quite-black" I'm looking for haha.

    Thank you!
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    This website may be of interest to you. Of course, it's not DIY.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spitz17 View Post
    On the side, is that your car? (thrown off by the missing bumper) What paint did you use for your tail light panel/license plate light? Looks like a dark "grey, not-quite-black" I'm looking for haha.
    That shot was taken during the reassembly process after the paint job. Was the best picture of the plates I could come up with on short notice.

    The tail panel paint I used was from Les Canaday at http://classicdatsun.com/
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    This website may be of interest to you. Of course, it's not DIY.
    I just sent him an e-mail to get a quote, may be worth it paying his price =)

    hat shot was taken during the reassembly process after the paint job. Was the best picture of the plates I could come up with on short notice.

    The tail panel paint I used was from Les Canaday at http://classicdatsun.com/
    Beautiful paint job!
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    Oops, I just read the FAQ on Tag Dr. They don't do reflectorized paint. I think California Blue is reflectorized, isn't it?
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    SteveJ,

    I am not sure, but there is a few pictures of blue/yellow CA plates they restored on their site. So I am assuming it is okay?
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    I seem to recall from something I read 20 or 30 years ago in the LA Times Auto section that it was possibly the numbers on the plates that reflected. The police would look for a lack of reflection as possible evidence of altered plates. If my memory is right, then the article advised against touching up the license plates.

    Of course, you could go by the adage, "It's not illegal if you don't get caught."
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    I tend to agree with SteveJ, especially if you are using the car as a classic and not a daily. Most cops would give you a pass as long as your intention was to keep the car original.

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    I don't think the blue plates are reflectorized, not even the yellow. I think that started in CA with the white plates.
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    Yea, I don't think they are. But either way, still hoping someone has done this before.

    I got a quote from Rod at tagdr.com, his quote is $190 for two plates, $10 for return shipping. So around $200, and an extra $45 with rush service (for both plates).

    I may go this route...
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    I had a chance to do some research after I got home, and that research says Arne is right about the blue & yellow not reflecting.
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    I am missing some context here. Is it legal in California to use old license plates on a car? Here the plates themselves change every few years and they will ticket you for using an original plate, even with an updated registration.

    The classic car guys I run into at car shows have to change plates once they get to the show, and put the "real" plate back on before they can drive it home.
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    In CA, the plate stays with car "forever" (As long as registered in CA). If the car is sold out of state the CA seller keeps the plates (but I don't think they can be re-registered to another vehicle). CA "blake plate cars" show that they were registered in CA during the time black plates were issued (1960's). The early blue plate cars (six characters starting with three alpha characters) show that they were registered in CA in the late 60's and early 70's. This is my understanding, please correct me if I'm wrong.

    My early blue plates (six character) neither the blue or the yellow numbering are reflective (at least that I can tell in a dark room, did check with a flashlight).

    Would like to hear what anyone finds out about restoring these early CA blue plates as mine are pretty faded, though have not tried to polish them out. I would think any deviance in the colors (especially when newly bright and shiny) from a standard CA plate color would stand out to CHP who look at these all day long. Sure Ponch would expect and early blue plate to be a little faded anyway. And the Oregon colors don't look right to me, but I can't tell navy blue socks from black either...
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    Here's the rule, according to California DMV:

    http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d03/vc5004_1.htm
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    The rules are different out West, although they vary some from state to state. But in general, plates are issued once and can be used as long as they continue to be registered on the car, with only new stickers (tags) applied. Replacement plates are not routinely issued. So the presence of current year-of-issue plates on a CA car indicates unbroken registration within the state of California.

    Here in Oregon the laws are a bit looser, the presence of year-appropriate plates is not an indication of unbroken chain of residence. But year-appropriate plates can be legally registered and used on cars in one of two or three methods here.
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    How about this for a second opinion:

    1. Reregister the car with common garden variety antique car plates.

    2. Go to Lowe's and get two sets of four of their magnets which are
    the size and shape of a domino (and are very powerful).

    3. Install your repainted license plates in the customary manner.

    4. Use one set of four magnets to hold the antique car license plate
    onto the front license plate, and a second set of four for the rear.

    5. Use the antique car license plates when driving the vehicle, then
    remove both them and the magnets to display the repainted plates
    when you have arrived at your car show, cruise-in, Z-club meeting,
    or whatever.

    Possible conflict: I don't know whether you have to turn in the old
    plates when obtaining antique plates. Also, I don't know whether CA
    is a "title state" where the same plates stay with the car for its life.

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    So I guess there's no one that has restored these plates I'll maybe use this tagdr.com guy and report back the results. Anyone with experience painting blue/yellow plates please speak up!!
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    The rule in California that any car 1969 and before can have a registered "same-year" plate. They call this the "year of manufacture" program. Cars are title in CA, plates stay with the vehicle until it is no longer in service.
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    Having a friend as a tag collector, buyer, seller also helps. How bad is your plate? Could it be cleaned up? He sold me a 73 in original condition, I even knew the car it was on in 73, has a small chip on the bottom and minor fading. It can be restored (not the yellow) by him, but I wanted original condition and got the best in his lot. He told me to use polishing compound if I wanted a brighter/newer finish. For others using this method, beware if you have the 'light reflective glass beads' imbedded in the paint, usually the letter/number, or the border. This will have to be masked off, compound sticks in the texture. All of the yellow on my tag is reflective, and beleive you me, it does show up at night!

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    My friend knows of someone locally in LA County that restores these blue plates. I'll call him and get you the 411.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzi Lon View Post
    Having a friend as a tag collector, buyer, seller also helps. How bad is your plate? Could it be cleaned up? He sold me a 73 in original condition, I even knew the car it was on in 73, has a small chip on the bottom and minor fading. It can be restored (not the yellow) by him, but I wanted original condition and got the best in his lot. He told me to use polishing compound if I wanted a brighter/newer finish. For others using this method, beware if you have the 'light reflective glass beads' imbedded in the paint, usually the letter/number, or the border. This will have to be masked off, compound sticks in the texture. All of the yellow on my tag is reflective, and beleive you me, it does show up at night!

    Bonzi Lon
    Nice plate.

    I've got a set of 72 Texas plates sitting on the bookshelf, can't wait until May when I change the registration over to them. The latest iteration of Texas plates just looks plain ugly. WAY too busy, and they're the printed, rather than stamped, variety now.

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    My friend knows of someone locally in LA County that restores these blue plates. I'll call him and get you the 411.
    That would be really helpful if you could do that =) Thanks a lot!

    Having a friend as a tag collector, buyer, seller also helps. How bad is your plate? Could it be cleaned up? He sold me a 73 in original condition, I even knew the car it was on in 73, has a small chip on the bottom and minor fading. It can be restored (not the yellow) by him, but I wanted original condition and got the best in his lot. He told me to use polishing compound if I wanted a brighter/newer finish. For others using this method, beware if you have the 'light reflective glass beads' imbedded in the paint, usually the letter/number, or the border. This will have to be masked off, compound sticks in the texture. All of the yellow on my tag is reflective, and beleive you me, it does show up at night!
    Thank god California Plates didn't have any gold reflection in them. That plate is absolutely stunning!
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    I've restored black and yellow plates before for my Mustang. I'll see if I can find the yellow paint I used and get back to you. It matched perfectly. As far as the blue, I would try another paint shop and have them match it and mix up a spray can for you. When I did mine, I chemically stripped off all the originally paint so all I had was a steel. Then primed and painted the black. After that, I hand did the numbers. Wasn't that hard to do and they came out great and a lot cheaper than $200!

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    Here in Fla., we can use a year-correct plate on any car over 25 yrs. old. It needs to be sent to the capital (DMV) for validation, but when it comes back, it's yours for as long as you own the car. It cannot be restored when sent for validation, but I believe after it's on your car, that is OK. I have one on my 71 and just recently repainted it. I have not had any police problems.
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    I've restored black and yellow plates before for my Mustang. I'll see if I can find the yellow paint I used and get back to you. It matched perfectly. As far as the blue, I would try another paint shop and have them match it and mix up a spray can for you. When I did mine, I chemically stripped off all the originally paint so all I had was a steel. Then primed and painted the black. After that, I hand did the numbers. Wasn't that hard to do and they came out great and a lot cheaper than $200!

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    Bob,

    Any information on the paint would be awesome! I may stop by a paint shop today and try to get a mixture.

    Thanks!

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    OK. The guy lives in NM now Willie. 505-832-9810 daddyodesigns.com is his website. He will do the custom lettering but needs to receive the plates with the blue paint on. He suggests finding a rattle can automotive blue that is close. $150 a set.
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    OK. The guy lives in NM now Willie. 505-832-9810 daddyodesigns.com is his website. He will do the custom lettering but needs to receive the plates with the blue paint on. He suggests finding a rattle can automotive blue that is close. $150 a set.
    Randy,

    Thanks for your help. I will try and get in contact with him and look at his site as well.
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