Some pics of interest

[g72s20]

I found these while digging through a 240K parts manual.
Note the badges NOT marked "AST" for Australia!
(same pics, different part ident. list)

[g72s20]

I think the Haitch stands for Hexport model :laugh:
Look at item 39 (last on the list).
At the time these were being imported,I thought there was a registration requirement, though not an ADR (Australian Design Rule) that the drivers external mirror must be able to be adjusted from the drivers seat. Now that, at first glance would explain why so few (if any?) 240Ks were fitted with the mirrors mounted above the wheel arch. I enquired about this when registering my KGC10, as the mirrors are mounted WAY out of reach! Turns out it's something covered by a Federal mob in Canberra, Dept of Tranportation. The bloke I spoke to was most helpful. He pointed out that you could sit in the drivers seat and use a stick to reach and adjust the mirror! As he said" it's all in the interpretation" He also felt the requirement back then was more to do with pedestrian safety, but could find nothing in the current regs. specific to stop them being mounted there now.

[sblake01]

Interesting. The 'Nissan Matic' badge seems to be the same one used here (US) on the 510 (72-73) and the '5 Speed' badge is the same one used on the 78 280Z. Different part numbers, however.

[sakijo]

Note the badges NOT marked "AST" for Australia!
(same pics, different part ident. list)

Okay, then where else did these cars go? I posted a pic of a 240K that I found in the Skyline Museum a few months back. It had fender mirrors, which all the guys downunder said "never seen them" or "looks strange."

Now you find parts marked specific for Australia, so where else did these cars go? Certainly not to the US; and here in Japan, they were Nissan Skylines, not Datsun 240Ks. England?

[NZeder]

NZ has a few 240KGT (only AUS imports were badged as GL) all NZ new were GT's, also some made there way here via Singapore and the like by return servicemen. That was also how a lot of Japanese sports of that 70's era got to NZ (so some do have the mirrors on the fenders/guards, Dad imported a 74 Mitsi GTO GS-R from Singapore that he purchased new when we were living there)

[EricB]

One 5speed badge for all!!

The first generation Honda Civics (1973-79) which were fitted with a 5spd tranny from the factory also have this exact same 5spd badge, so does the first generation Honda Accord (you know the one that's a hatchback...

Funny

[sblake01]

I don't think the two are the same. The first pic is a Honda emblem and the second pic is the Z/810/Skyline emblem.

[g72s20]

Here's one from the '71-'72 Skylines.
From Yahoo auctions JP

[sblake01]

That's the same one as the 1977 US 280Z emblem. The other (on the right in my last post) was used on the 1978 US 280Z and on US 810 Coupes (79-80). They seem to be optional since they were not on all of the above mentioned cars.

[Alfadog]

The C110 240K was sold in many European countries aswell as NZ and even the middle east.

[Mr Camouflage]

I found these while digging through a 240K parts manual.
Note the badges NOT marked "AST" for Australia!
(same pics, different part ident. list)

Yep. Australia got 240K GT's but they were badged as GL's due to the GT paranoia that was going on at the time, which was alro responsible for the canceling of the Falcon GT phase 4 and the torana XU-2. Supposedly it was also cheaper to insure a GL than a GT. Though most insurance companies regarded any 2 door version of a sedan a sports model and upped the premiums accordingly, even for the 120Y 2 door.

For some reason the K I just bought has 240K GT interior door emblems. (all the exterior emblems are missing).

[EScanlon]

Yep. Australia got 240K GT's but they were badged as GL's due to the GT paranoia that was going on at the time...snip...

Not to hijack, but could you explain this to us "Yanks".

E

[aarc240]

Yep. Australia got 240K GT's but they were badged as GL's
Not true if you look at the build configuration of the cars.
Only the first batch arriving in Oz had the GT intake manifold. All others have the basic 'log' manifold common to everything from 240k's to 240C, 260C and even the Patrol 4WD.
Also, every 240k I've looked at has one turn too many on the main springs both front and rear for them to be GT parts.
How many 240k's have 3.90 diff gears with the four speed gearbox? Again, these were standard on the first batch.
Since those were the main differences (apart from cosmetics like badges) then the GL's were NOT GT's by any stretch of the imagination.

Like every other manufacturer selling cars under the ADR's, Nissan was legally required to specify EXACTLY what the car was on the ADR plate.
So, if the ADR plate doesn't specify that the car is a GT then it never was a GT (something I only recently learned from a wiley lawyer!)

[aarc240]

Falcon GT phase 4 and the torana XU-2.
Totally unrelated to Datsuns but of historical interest, the 'new' Torana was not to be an XU-2.
The original XU-1 actually referred to the factory build code for the body and made a pretty neat badge to stick on.
Unfortunately by the time the new 'weapon' in the guise of a highly modified Torana was to come about the build code XU-2 had already been used (on a taxi variant of the full size HG sedan of all things!).
The V8 Torana was actually code W-51.
Also, technically the Ford Falcon GT that didn't see the light of day (apart from 3 red pepper and 1 mint green cars) was a GTHO Phase 4. The Ford Falcon GT appeared in effectively the phase 4 guise without the hoo-ha under Regular Purchase Option 83 ('RPO83') where all the needed bits were fitted without the badges.

[aarc240]

Not to hijack, but could you explain this to us "Yanks".

E
In a nutshell, a self opionated jackass of a motoring writer by the name of Evan Green set out to be the consience of Australia whether anyone else liked it or not. Published a blistering series of attacks on the high powered cars that HE considered unsafe without regard to reality or facts.
Caused such a stink in the media that the politicians got in the act (as they are wont to do) who started screaming like they had wet nappies.
End result was that the big three (Holden, Chrysler and Ford) canned their planned supercars and we lost the edge in top end motoring.
The insurance companies were handed a gilt edged reason for ripping everyone off on the basis of badging. (always did wonder if that bastard got a really nice retirement cheque from the insurance industry - he should have!)

Sort of like Nader really with his 'unsafe at any speed' about the Corvair when in reality it was the drivers who were unsafe at any speed.

[240kconvertible]

So, if the ADR plate doesn't specify that the car is a GT then it never was a GT (something I only recently learned from a wiley lawyer!)


Awwwww don't tell me that I found it easier to sleep thinking my C110 GL was a GT, you've gone and ruined it for me.

I might as well build a fake GTR now................except those damn parts cost sooooooo much. Guess I'll have to settle for GL.

[Mr Camouflage]

Like every other manufacturer selling cars under the ADR's, Nissan was legally required to specify EXACTLY what the car was on the ADR plate.
So, if the ADR plate doesn't specify that the car is a GT then it never was a GT (something I only recently learned from a wiley lawyer!)

Not exactly. They had to identify the car and the adr's it complied to. Whatever the car was called got stamped on the compliance plate, regardless of what intake manifolds, or spring rates it had. If it was called a 240K SSS, or 240K XYZ that would have been stamped on the plate. There were no Legal rules at to what could be called a GT, Car companies can pretty much call a car whatever they want. They could have made a 120Y GT if they wanted.

What im interested in is what make a 240K GT different to a GL, not whether it had a little badge on it proclaiming it to be a GT. And is seems like your the right person to ask.

So, any pics of the intake manifold? how many turns on the springs? What other differences are there between a GL and a GT.

So the first batch of 240K's were GTs? Were they badged as GT's or GL's?
And they have 4 speed gearboxes?
That might explain why my shifter only goes up to the number 4.

Maybe this would be better starting a new thread on the 240K GT, and letting 240kconvertible have his thread back.

[Mat Big Hat]

i've heard similar stories why the badging was changed to gl. they make sense in that a gl in the jdm and other export market denotes swb. except for badging, the aussie gl is a gt, if in limited trim. even if the aussie gt intake was different, wouldn't it be due to a change in vendor or design rather than the difference between performance and luxury? or are you saying the early gt badged cars came with dual hitachi's? that in itself doesn't make it more of a gt than the single carb version. in fact, nissan labled all the 6cyl c110's and 610's gt.