toyota engine compatability

[scrote]

hi all,

am new to this forum and looking for a nice 240z at the momment and was wondering if anyone has any details about toyota engine transplants in 240z.

was thinking of using a 1jz or a 1uz as i like these engines and am familiar with the toyota range.

have always been a celica nut(ta22) and have a nice little turbo one but am after a turbo six or bigger.

can anyone help??

[lordbiotree]

Welcome!

I personally have never seen any Toyota engine in a Z. You might want to try http://www.hybridz.org/

Over here we are dedicated to the first gen Z. there are guys on the board who have done engine swaps. Mainly Nissan power. We do have chevy guys on the board.

I wont swap anything that's not Nissan power. As for the Celica...well there nothing like a 240,260,280 Z!

Feel free look around. Use the search feature. See what you can find.

[hls30.com]

AutoSpeed had a 240Z that had a Toyota engine in it-owned by a Natinal Soccer player if my memory is right, hold on a minute, Here is text of the article


Issue: 147 Section: Feature Cars 11 September, 2001
Zed Sacrilege

Take one of Nissan's most classic of sportscars - and stuff it with a Toyota heart!?
Why not? That's the question that Michael Galluzzo often bounces back at people who query his move to drop a Toyota turbo engine into his precious Datsun 240Z. For sure, the Zed purists cannot stand the thought of such an act.

But - as you'll read - there is reason behind this 'madness'.

First of all, the name Michael Galluzzo might ring a bell with Australian soccer fans - he plays for Sydney's Leichhardt Tigers. Michael - together with his father - bought this 1969 Zed (one of the early-bird ones) with the full intention of making it something special. They began their build-up by rejuvenating the standard body (which involved removing quite a lot of rust), soon followed by a big splash of Ferrari Red. The paint quality is truly immaculate, despite being a backyard job by a mate. (More than a few cartons of refreshment must have gone his way, we reckon!).

With the look-like-new Zed hoofing around under the power of the Weber'd, extractor'd and exhausted (literally) L-series six, Michael got the urge to give it some late-model grunt. The engine that he most dearly wanted to slot into the front was, of course, the Godzilla RB26DETT engine - but these are rare and ultra-expensive. W-a-y expensive by the time you get the ECU and everything that's needed to get it up and firing.

After discussion with Vince Rigoli, Michael was soon swayed to go the Toyota 7M-GTE (Supra turbo) six - so this Toyota-into-Nissan 'travesty' is Vince's fault! Vince pointed out that the 7M-GTE has 3-litres capacity (versus the 2.6-litre RB26DETT) and he'd previously seen some ripper outputs from them. You can't hold these things against it - even if it is a Toyota motor!

Vince sourced a Japanese-import 7M-GTE and - as a pre-fitting precaution - cracked it open for inspection. Everything looked good, so it was all sealed up again with a new cam belt. Next came the 240Z transplant. "It was pretty easy," tells an unashamed Vince, "we just made new engine mounts and installed a 3-core radiator with twin thermo fans."

Adding a little more the Toyota motor's factory zest is now a new O2 Rush filter tucked in behind the grille and an exhaust system that slashed away the bulk of restriction. This is a custom jobbie, with 3-inch mandrel plumbing with just a polished rear muffler serving to reduce noise.

Purchased as just a bare engine and 'box, there was the important task of sourcing an intercooler. No point in just slipping in a stocker, Mood Motorsport whipped up the biggest darn 'cooler they could nestle in front of the radiator (plus the beautiful mandrel plumbing to boot). Needless to say, an intercooler of this size does a sik job of lowering intake air temps - especially given that the standard wastegate setting of 7-8 psi is all that's received from the standard CT26 turbo. Oh, and - before we forget - Where's Wally kinda people might also spot the polished adjustable blow-off valve.

Vince Rigoli is a big believer in EMS programmable management, which is why Michael's Zed carries one such device. Vince configured the management system to run with a MAP sensor (reducing intake restriction), the standard injectors and ignition. Bosch provides the high-pressure fuel delivery required in an EFI application. Vince performed all mapping.

Instead of stuffing around with bell housing adapters trying to fit a Nissan gearbox, everyone thought it'd be wisest to simply stick with the 5-speed gearbox that came delivered hanging off the back of the motor. This went into the Zed with custom mounts and a Toyota slave cylinder (as part of the hydraulic clutch actuation system). A high-performance clutch went in at the same time - a brass button sprung centre item.

Connecting the output shaft of the gearbox is a custom tailshaft, which feeds into a 3.9:1 diff sourced from a later 260Z. But the wheels are where it all happens. On the standard wastegate setting and with everyday premium unleaded flowing through the injectors, this car has seen an easy 203kW at the wheels on a Dyno Dynamics dyno. Of course, that's not supercar stuff, but it's more than you'll get from - say - a HSV Clubsport R8. Throw this level of grunt in a relatively lightweight 240Z (24 oz?) and you can understand why everyone's predicting high 12-second quarter mile performance. Certainly, this could be achieved by bumping up the boost (assuming there's enough traction).

Try to imagine the amount of IRS squat there would be with the standard suspension in place. This is why Michael's made revisions with Koni shocks and lowered Lovells springs. A set of aftermarket swaybars had already gone on prior to purchase. Braking, too, has been improved to help accommodate the go of the 7MGTE. The front-end is equipped with Hilux discs and calipers with Endless pads, while - for now - the rear remains stock drum-spec.

The interior has been the last area to receive Michael's attention. A pair of Sparco Road fixed-back seats holds the front passengers like a bear, plus there's a Momo wheel, gear knob and pedals. The black carpets have all been redone and any 'daggy' areas have been thoroughly tidied up. Amazingly, the original dash pad remains crack-free. You can't help but get a feeling of nostalgic Targa-style racing when you step aboard.

Externally, the car rides on 16-inch five-spokers wearing 225/50 tyres. Michael's not totally sure what brand they are, but they were bought upon the recommendation of "the coach". They weren't cheap, though, at around $600 each (maybe this was the coach's payback after a lack-lustre game?!). Thankfully, the 240Z's beautiful flowing bodylines remain standard with the exception of GTHO-style external mirrors and a fibreglass front spoiler. The aforementioned paint job gives the car a distinctly Italian exotic appearance, while the ORGAZM number plates also aren't likely to go unnoticed...

Only being used for weekend cruises - when Michael's not tied up with soccer - it stands to reason that the Zed doesn't rack up too many miles. Because of this, Michael is now keen on selling the car (any enquiries through michael@autospeed.com). Certainly, it's just the thing to stand out in - and it could stand out a whole lot more with a few more psi boost stuck through 'er!



Will

[zed240au]

hi if you get back issues of zoom magazine (few years back now would have issues at home if you cant find it ) they did a build up on a 240z with toyota 6 cyl turbo build over a number of issues covered most of the problems was a nice fit went well there main reason was the cost of the nissan rb26 or rb25 motors compared to the dirt cheap toyota supra motors
have seen since car was bought by a member here and shipped to england

Mick

[scrote]

well have deicided i want to try and fit a 1UZ-FE into a 240z. as of the zoom article im not that interested in the 7mgte as its an older heavier engine and after owning a 1jz cressida i would go 1jz over 7m anyday.

so has anyone fitted a 1UZ-FE into a 240z.

if not does anyone have the measurements of the engine bay so i can try and work out if it will fit.

thanks all.

[260Z-1JZm]

I know of a 260z 2seat in toowoomba Qld. that is being fitted with the nissan V8 and twin turbos.
But have not heard of the toyota V8 in any.

As far as engine bay size I had an XE falcon with a 351, and have a 260Z 2+2.

The datsun engine bay is 25mm widder than the falcon measured between suspension towers and the same from radiator to fire wall.
There is also a celica in W.A. with a 1UZ so they cant be too big for a zed

[CoastGuardZ]

Toyota Engines belong in Toyotas.

If you want a toyota six, why not buy an older Supra?

My VERY narrow minded opinion.

Nate

[Mr Camouflage]

Nooooooo, dont do it to a 240Z. Use a 260Z. ;)

Theres a guy in Perth putting a 1UZ on a 240C, but thats a different story.

But if you must....

I've been asked this question before, so one day I measured my empty engine bay and jotted the measuremets down on the back of a piece of card.


here they are

[JZM]

I have done a few.6MGE,7MGE and the 7MGET and also the 2JZ twin turbo.
My pesonal favorite is the 7MGET conversion.however please keep in mind that you will be destroying a great car and the toyota six has a very weak lower end.our shop rebuilds these and you can also get them in jap crate form still.p/m me with Qs and I'll see if I can help.you know you can also buy a more powerful and reliable nissan engine. that will fit just fine.And if I can put a jag V12 in a 240Z engine compartment I think your choice of a toyota will fit just fine.

JZM

[scrote]

i do not know too much about nissan engines but i very much doubt i could get a lighter weight more reliable engine than the 1uz. these things are bulletproof.

[alg]

I'm a huge Z and L-series fan, but I have to say that a toyota engine will outlast a nissan engine any day of the week and still make Big HP reliably. The only Nissan engines that compare are the Rb's, and they way more expensive depending on which engine.

No offence to anyone.

Alex

[philUK]

I think my ears are burning!

I own the 1jz engined car, which was part of a set of Zoom articles in OZ.
BLKMGK has a set of scans of the original articles at http://www.blkmgk.com/Development/TestWEB.nsf It has also been in a couple of articles here in the UK (and even a calender) which I have scans of if anyone is brave enough to host them!

I think the car is great, everything I hoped it would be. I've also been on a few trackdays to make the most out of it.

I had it tuned to make 328 bhp at the hubs at 14 psi, and could take it further if I ever felt the need to. see the thor racing dynopack dyno plot in my gallery

If you have any specific questions - just ask!

[JZM]

So I assume we have some machinists on board here?.not all toyota engine are the same,they all don't last as long as you might think.however some are better than others.whens the last time you saw a rod hanging out the side of an L-series?not often. all engine manufactures have there down sides.I'm not partial to any.I just know what works and what does not.and as far as reliability.I just removed the VG30DE from my own car it has 307896 miles on it and it still runs great![converting to a VG30DETT]And last week I removed a
L-24 with 'I shit you not' 400k+miles on it.and it still ran fine.tore it down to see cross hatch in the cylinders.also removed a toyota 3VZE v6 with 300k+
on it. it really doesn't matter what engine you use as long as you take care of it..........it's all about what floats your boat.


p.s. philUK is that a picture of of you install? thats sweet!

JZM [Johnny Z Motorsports]

[JZM]

you've seen all those older Zs out there right? you know the ones with there
original engines.How many toyotas have you seen with the same age still running and on the road?makes you think doesn't it?[just a little Z owner humor].



JZM

[drunkenmaster]

i do not know too much about nissan engines but i very much doubt i could get a lighter weight more reliable engine than the 1uz. these things are bulletproof.

VH45DE, VH41DE, RB26DETT etc etc

The problem with all the V8's is there is no manual box and custom bellhousings are expensive.

It sounds like you need to do more research, take some measurements etc as with both the nissan VH and toyota 1UZ, your only going to have a few cm clearance on each side of the engine bay, no room for error.

[wedgey]

what i have seen is a lexus v8 in a 260z
not a lot of room but it did look neat
it was at z16 in blacktown australia

rob

[alg]

I'm sorry JZM, I didn't mean to insult your experience.


I didn't mean that all toyota engines are the same, I was just referring to the engines that were mentioned before i.e 1jz, 2jz, and the list goes on. In my experience modern toyota engines are generally more reliable than there nissan counterparts.

P.S. The only substitute for displacement is technology.(even though I have a V8 RX7)

[JZM]

Ahh Drunkinmaster some say RB26DETTs may not be what they seam. [it's not a V8]but i'm sure you knew that.


JZM

[Cuong Nguyen]

there was a silver 240z for sale at the "Healey Factory' in Ringwood Victoria that had the 1UZ V8 and a 5spd, was in unique car magazine as well.

[scrote]

every article i have read that has done a comparrison of the 6 & 8 from the toyota nissan variety has come up with the 2jz winning the 6 and the 1uz winning the 8.

as for old datsuns running on many ks... any engine thats looked after will do that. my suzuki hatch 800cc has over 450,000ks on the original engine and runs fine. and i see alot more old celicas on the road than i do 240z.

with the 1uz being able to hold more power thru stock internals than the nissan counterpart and the more available aftermarket parts, combined with the very cheap price of 1-1.5k aus they are my choice.

and i have measured everything up and they will fit just fine!!

[JZM]

every article i have read that has done a comparrison of the 6 & 8 from the toyota nissan variety has come up with the 2jz winning the 6 and the 1uz winning the 8.

as for old datsuns running on many ks... any engine thats looked after will do that. my suzuki hatch 800cc has over 450,000ks on the original engine and runs fine. and i see alot more old celicas on the road than i do 240z.

with the 1uz being able to hold more power thru stock internals than the nissan counterpart and the more available aftermarket parts, combined with the very cheap price of 1-1.5k aus they are my choice.

and i have measured everything up and they will fit just fine!!



More celicas?must be just were you live.not so here in the US.as far as the 1uz being able to hold more power than it's nissan counter part that has yet to be seen.unless your a engineer, machinist or have lots of exp.under your belt,how would you know this to be able to make a statement like that?

JZM

[drunkenmaster]

every article i have read that has done a comparrison of the 6 & 8 from the toyota nissan variety has come up with the 2jz winning the 6 and the 1uz winning the 8.

as for old datsuns running on many ks... any engine thats looked after will do that. my suzuki hatch 800cc has over 450,000ks on the original engine and runs fine. and i see alot more old celicas on the road than i do 240z.

with the 1uz being able to hold more power thru stock internals than the nissan counterpart and the more available aftermarket parts, combined with the very cheap price of 1-1.5k aus they are my choice.

and i have measured everything up and they will fit just fine!!

I would like to see the article comparing the VH45DE with the 1UZ as I am sure the extra 0.5L displacement would come in handy, or even the smaller VH41DE.

I have seen the 1UZ in a 260Z, I was going to put a late model V8 in mine until I saw how much clearance there was. I know they will fit, but I wouldnt say they would fit just fine
:classic:

[scrote]

yeah there are not many 240z around here in oz at all. and any left go at a premium price. maybe not as many were sold.

i will look for the article as mentioned and try to scan it in if you like.

as for power rating i can only go off those that i talk to that are into high hp drag cars and the like. yes the 1uz has less cc so is overlooked a lot of the time but with the ability to handle 8oohp with factory internals means a lot more people are using this as a base engine for there drag cars.

as for fitment there is some issue with pipework etc that will be a snug fit but as a bare engine it fits nice. should also prove a good weight displacement.

out of interest does anyone know how much the VH45DE weighs. as a bare engine.

[CoastGuardZ]

Toyota Engines belong in Toyotas.

If you want a toyota six, why not buy an older Supra?

My VERY narrow minded opinion.

Nate


Just restating! :beard:

[scrote]

well a supra is heavier and not as sexy as a 240z. plus why not. be different

[sblake01]

Aren't we all different? I just choose not to be different in that way. Get a Z first, you might change your mind about that Toyota engine or VH45DE, etc. Having owned a Q45, I can state from experience that you would be hard pressed to find a more difficult engine to work with. And in a Z? I've seen a couple of stories of people doing the VH45DE/Z conversion, I believe we discussed one here some time ago, but it's not a project I'd be willing to take on.

[CoastGuardZ]

well a supra is heavier and not as sexy as a 240z.

~Not my fault. If Toyota designed a superior product this would not be the case.

plus why not.

~Because it would be like wrapping a turd in gold... just ain't right.

be different

~In the past two weeks I've seen two other old Z's... one 280ZX and one 1st gen. 300ZX. That makes me as different as they come around here... and hell, my 240Z is a 240... not a 240 with a L28... that's getting pretty rare. At least keep it in the family... go for an RB26 turbo.

[Deus Ex]

I guess its an americn thing not to like transplanting JZ engines, as they take alot of work and are not as popular as they are in australasian countries. But you wont find a better/stronger 6cyl than a 2JZ, and i dont wanna start a debate, but there is a reason they can handle 800hp with stock bottoms. And as some of you may know, an RB25 contains a stronger bottom end than a Rb26.....suprising yes.

For an NA 6, only the BMW m3 motor is greater than the 2JZ-GE, and the 2JZ-GTE...well thats crazy power.

So no more refering to toyota engines as shit..

Youve been warned...

[Inf]

While I know with MY car I want to keep the powerplant as it is, I am astounded at some of the hardcore hell-or-high-water brand loyalty in this thread.

I didn't know we had so many blind fanboys running around.

[CoastGuardZ]

For starters - American has two "a" 's in it and on top of that it is capitalized.

Second of all, it does not offend me if you call me brand loyal... that has never been a crime. Blind - Blind to what? The fact that the inside of the doorjamb reads MFR by Nissan Motor Corporation and the top of the valve cover reads NISSAN OHC?

Hell you can make a 1000 hp with a nitrous fed chevy engine & supercharger. Nissan never built these cars for huge hp numbers it was intended to be all together good package. The L series engines are well known for their reliability, mine has nearly 300,000 miles on it - that's the original 33 year old engine in a 33 year old car.

The fact of the matter is that there is no need to kill a 240, you can kill a 260 just as easy.

Please take all my responses to be as light hearted and "tounge-in-cheek" ... these are all just opinions of mine. It's not like if you do it I'll hunt you down. What's your address again? :)

[Deus Ex]

now youve done it...cant rag on the engine so you rag on the car.

260 owners unite!

Besides, the only difference between my 260 and someone elses 240 is comfort...oh no did i say that!?

[CoastGuardZ]

nice comeback!

Now where did I put that shovel so I dig this hole a little deeper ROFL

[JZM]

I feel as though I'm walking through the red woods with a bunch of piss
happy dogs with higher testosterone levels than steroids,viagra and my fifteen year old son[combined]. Who cares what engine is being installed in the %$#&*@# car?It's not being installed in your car is it? You would think that most of you would have better things to do.like being on the same club and getting along.Everybody is entitled to have an opinion true, but when things start getting out of control maybe we should take a step back relax a bit and work though things together,if you don't like something state your opinion and leave things alone.unless you have something usefull to interject.
ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL


JZM

[CoastGuardZ]

Who cares what engine is being installed in the %$#&*@# car?...if you don't like something state your opinion and leave things alone.unless you have something usefull to interject.
JZM


That's good advice, you should follow it.

If you don't want people's HONEST opinions... don't ask.

[Deus Ex]

Dude nothing is getting out of control, no one is making death threats, i think maybe you are taking it too seriously.

Chill....

[260Z-1JZm]

ever consider the SR20 det
for some race classes in Japan they take out the 6cyl and fit the sr20
ran get the same power with a lot less weight

can be found with 6 speed gear box

[JZM]

That's good advice, you should follow it.

If you don't want people's HONEST opinions... don't ask.


Now hold on just a minute,I believe I offered my help in this matter.than everbody started on about nissan this and toyota that,I'm for any engine that you might want to use,[with the exception of using the 70 Z as a doner,only because it's getting rare]and no I'm not taking things to seriously.
note the slight humer here and there ROFL , sounds to me that people should reread this entire thread.and I never said I didn't like anything about this whole idea,thats why I'm still here.as far as stating my opinion about something I don't like I'm still trying to find what it is that you think I should follow my own advice on,[with the exception of not helping the original person who asked for help.]

p.s. Z cars are what I do for a living,If anyone asked for my advice or help I would never turn them down.

JZM

[drunkenmaster]

Brand loyalty aside, if I was to use a V8 I would use the largest capacity V8 that would fit, when the VH45DE and 1UZ are the same price at a wreckers, basically the same size and the same basic difficulty to fit, I would go for the extra 0.5 displacement.

If you were going for a straight six I would and have gone for a hybrid RB30DET, that or a RB26DETT. The reason being availability of parts as well as the great interchangeability between nissan equipment. I have the head from and RB25DE, block from an RB30E and gearbox from an RB25DET with tailshaft and R200 LSD from a DR30 skyline. All bolt together with no fuss however the tailsjaft may be a little long for the Z.

A six speed box behind the Supra motor would be cool also, but it would be a lot more work/expense I would say.

[CoastGuardZ]

I'm still trying to find what it is that you think I should follow my own advice on.
JZM

Not to carry this foolishness on any further but to answer a man's question...

...if you don't like something state your opinion and leave things alone...

Now to really stir the pot... If I was going to slaughter a perfectly good Z, I would drop in a (dare I say it?) Ford (gulp :finger: ) 302. My friends 93 Mustang LX 5.0 puts 350 to the ground and under full acceleration you are slammed back and held in the seat. I have seen one in a Z and was told by the owner that the engine weighs the same or less than the L motors and places the weight distribution just a bit more to the rear than stock which made for a better handling Z. They are cheap and there is an endless supply of aftermarket support for them. Any comments?

Respectfully,
Nate :pirate:

[JZM]

Not to carry this foolishness on any further but to answer a man's question...



Now to really stir the pot... If I was going to slaughter a perfectly good Z, I would drop in a (dare I say it?) Ford (gulp :finger: ) 302. My friends 93 Mustang LX 5.0 puts 350 to the ground and under full acceleration you are slammed back and held in the seat. I have seen one in a Z and was told by the owner that the engine weighs the same or less than the L motors and places the weight distribution just a bit more to the rear than stock which made for a better handling Z. They are cheap and there is an endless supply of aftermarket support for them. Any comments?

Respectfully,
Nate :pirate:


As a matter of fact..yes I do have some comments,1st-no more foolishness,
2nd-I still didn't say I didn't like something-lets drop it and move on........
Now about the ford 5.0.....I think it's a good choice,it is about the same weight[with aluminum heads it will be even lighter yet] and it will make your Z handle much better.[I've done a couple]which includes one of my older Zs that I used to own.I chose a 5.0 mostly due to the fact that it was free from a car I used to own[an 88 saleen #28]which was totaled be my ex-wife about 14 years ago.I just loved the sound of a properly built small block ford.[before Zs there was the mustangs] chevy small blocks are a lot cheaper to build though,almost 2 to 1 over ford.[2-350s for the price of one 302 or the like]

I still have the conversion kit.[custom fab by -Johnny Z motorsports]

JZM

[alg]

I've got a 92' mustang 302 in my Rx-7 with a 5spd and it is rocket, code named DEATH.

My cousin and I did the conversion in early 2000. With the right exhaust a 302 sound awsome. She's running pretty much stock, all she has is a huge K@N, good exhaust and a hurst short shifter. Traction is an issue, with slicks she runs very high 12's. Beleive it or not. The engine is fuel injected and I'm running two ecu's.

All in all it was a fairly inexpensive conversion, granted we did about 90% of the work ourselves.

All this talk of nissan and toyota engines I kinda forgot about ford, not as reliable but still a hoot. Something else to consider.

An early Z weighs even less than an Rx-7. A V8 will kick it up a couple a notches.

Just my 2 cents


Alex

[Aussie260z]

scrote,

This is my 2jzge/5spd conversion into my 260z - in my opinion its a really easy conversion, because you can get the 2jz or 1jz for that matter in a rear sump configuration i think this makes it a better alternative than the RB engines,
Also the price,
1jzgte engine package is about $1500AUD from the wreckers/importers,
2jz NA is about $1200AUD,
2jzgte is anywhere from $4500 to $6000, but this engine is awesome, but then you gotta fit that 6spd Getrag, but i dont think it would be any harder than putting in the RB25DET 5spd, they are both massive f#ckers!!!

Anyways, check out my pics,

http://album.hybridz.org/showphoto.php?photo=3205&cat=500&page=1

http://album.hybridz.org/showphoto.php?photo=3211&cat=500&page=1

http://album.hybridz.org/showphoto.php?photo=3206&cat=500&page=1

[2fiddyz]

Nice swap Aussie260z, I really wanted a lot of power for cheep, heres my 7mgte swap Im probably making more than 450 RWHP with a price of $750 for motor and tranny, since I saved so much on the motor and tranny I broke the bank on everything else. Sure I would love the 2JZGTE but not the 3K-6K price tag for motor and tranny alone.


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